Welcome everybody today to this live episode of Breaking Beauty podcast. Um, I'm Jill Dunn and this is my co-host over here, Carlen Higgins. >> Hello everyone. >> And hello to our friends in the live audience today. Thank you for being here everyone. >> Yes. And hello to our listeners at home because this is a live podcast. And for anyone new who's joining us, um, we are two longtime magazine beauty editors. That's how we got our start. And we are on the air every single week talking about the breakthrough people, products, and moments in beauty. And we've been podcasting for 9 years now. >> Wow. >> Yeah. And it's an honor to be in New York with all of you and for this special collaboration with Chaseedo Talks. And we're going to be exploring skincare rituals and holistic beauty the Chaseedo way, which I love. and we have two very special guests joining us today. First up, I'd like to introduce Dr. Jenny Lou. Hi, Dr. Lou. Welcome. >> Thank you for having me. Such an honor to be here. Very special. >> So great to see you. And Dr. Lou is one of the the most trusted voices in skincare education today. She's a Washington-based board-certified dermatologist, adjunct assistant professor at the University of Minnesota Medical School. She has nearly 2 million followers on social media. I'm sure many of you follow her. And she's built a reputation as a nationally recognized expert in cosmetic dermatology with a special focus on skin of color, cosmetic innovation, and evidence-based skincare. Thank you. >> Great. A lovely introduction. >> Like go up. And also, we are thrilled to introduce Lucy Hail, talented actress, producer, and a candid voice really when it comes to self-care and beauty. Uh, welcome to the podcast, Lucy. >> Thank you. So happy to be here. Hi. Hi, everyone. >> The audience. >> I'm sure many of you are familiar and are probably fans with Lucy from Pretty Little Liars where she played Arya Montgomery. And Lucy also just wrapped Legacy, a horror film, alongside Jack Whiteall and Angelica Houston. >> Plus, she has over 24 million followers on Instagram, which is a big deal around here. >> So, thank you both for being here. It's so great to meet you both. And when it comes to skincare rituals, we often think about a 10step routine. I think many of us in the room who report on beauty, we've talked about that a lot. Um, but really, who has the time? That's what I'm saying. Um, in today's conversation, we're going to kind of unpack that notion and we're going to lean into the simple. We're going to look at some sometimes overlooked tweaks in our routine and our daily beauty and wellness routines that can make a genuine impact. And I love that we're doing it in this very zen space. It's so nice here, everyone. And by the way, if anyone wants to tag anything today, it's Chaseedo. >> I know. I was like, is this a sound healing room? It feels like they do some pretty deep meditations in here. to the grape vine that there's like special crystals baked into the floor. >> Let's take a nap. >> Let's do it. >> Let's get the tarot cards out. No, >> say less. >> Um and of course we love a scoop around here at Breaking Beauty podcast. We're always talking products and so we're going to be learning about Chaseedo's latest innovation from the Benefian collection um that promises brighter, smoother skin in just two weeks. Plus, stay tuned to the end for a fun round of rapid fire. >> Okay. >> Sorry. >> Yes. So, let's dive in. Um, I was fortunate enough to visit Japan um a few years ago with one of Chaseedo's sister skinare companies. And that's really when personally I fell in love with J beauty, Japanese beauty in general. Um, I love the ritualistic aspect behind it. I also find the formulas to be so lightweight, so elegant, and they always have like a hydrating component to it, which um really goes with my my skin type, and I feel like for everybody, it's I'm just a huge fan. Um so, Dr. Lou, I want to get from you though, like how would you define as a professional, as a dermatologist, what is J beauty? And I've seen your videos on YouTube where you're going deep on K beauty, C beauty. So like what makes J beauty so unique? >> Yeah, Japanese skincare, I think you guys kind of defined it as that ritual aspect, right? But to me, it's not just like that self-care part of ritual, but also time and dedication. J beauty, I like to describe it as more simplicity, consistency for that long-term skin health, right? um the fact that your skin quality and skin health is built over like decades, not overnight transformation. Um and also like you said, it's really that thoughtful formulation like using sciencebacked ingredients used through history, but really that unique formula that prioritizes the texture, the elegance, and also like the tolerability. Again, going back to consistency, so that way you can use it without getting irritated, without reacting. Um, and that's, you know, the whole Asian skincare. I do love the fact that they are more about prevention, >> like right taking care of your skin long term versus maybe like the western philosophy is more like, okay, I see a problem, I need to get that fixed, and I want to get that fixed quickly. So, it's more that um prevention, but with Japanese skincare, it's more even more simple and more that routine. Like everything has a purpose. Um very intentional. >> Um and then yeah, like and the difference like in the Koreans, as you said, it's like 10 steps, right? multiple steps to layer in the hydration, which again is going back to healthy skin barrier. But I like to think ingredient wise, Korean skincare tends to be like chasing the trends or setting the trends, the next innovation, the new formulation. And then Chinese skincare, I feel like it's still evolving. Um, but I do see it whenever I go back to China. It's kind of like a little bit of everything like influences from Japanese, Korean skincare in terms of um like the ingredients um the textures, but then also like honing in on like some of the western philosophy like for a while it's still probably trending, but like the vitamin C in the morning and the retinoids at night. There was like a term in Chinese where it's like CM a PM that like that that is um so it's kind of evolving still. But yeah, I think for me, Japanese skincare, long-winded answer, is more just like prevention, minimalism, and that routine aspect. Yeah, that's huge. >> Yeah, I agree. Also like that timehonored tradition and ingredients like blended with modern innovation. I feel like that's kind of what J Beauty has unlocked. >> Absolutely. >> And Lucy, when you hear the term J beauty, what does it mean to you? >> It means I need to go to Japan. I have never been and I'm telling you I feel so called to just that culture in general. The food, the fashion, >> we can go together. I have not this is a dream come true. I need to go with someone who knows the places I need to go. Um >> everything I echo everything you just said. Like I >> am borderline obsessed with anything skincare related. I always have been and that came from just struggling with my skin and like I think for a while as we do and maybe because of my industry it's like chasing this idea of perfection that just doesn't exist because once you reach it you're like oh wait >> I don't feel the way I thought I was going to feel and I much more love this approach of >> really >> honing it down like taking it back a notch like there's a video of me circulating where I did years ago like a 21st step skincare routine literally really I'm talking out of my like I don't know what I'm talking about but it it comes from this love of >> you know self-care and and it really like my skin care routine it really is my me time and it is a ritual and >> in that ritual like I I make it about like being really kind to myself I think and finding products that align with that I think is really important which is why I love >> Chaseedo products and I think and I love um them as a brand because it really is about um long-term long-term goal, not this like impulsive quick fix that I think some of us can get caught up in. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> I was I was very privileged to have actually somebody from Chaseedo take me to >> a Japanese drugstore. It's back in our archives you can find this episode and she showed me everything to buy. And of course, Chaseedo has so many brands in Japan that they don't even sell here. >> So like I got to try everything. It was amazing. Wow. >> Um, Dr. Lou, what would a typical Japanese skinare routine look like? Maybe you could give us an example because we like to get specific, right? >> Yeah. It's actually not as complicated as cuz I think we immediately think like, you know, >> all Asian skincare is like 10 steps like Korean skincare, but it's actually more simple with intention. And so, you probably want to start off with a gentle cleanser. And a lot of people do double cleanse with like an oil cleanser followed by like a water cleanser just to remove everything. And then you go in with um like an essence or in Japan they call it lotion. So it's kind of our version of a liquid um toner essentially but it's different because it's more hydrating with activives and you layer it on and again it's about not just the products and the formulation but how you apply. You're like patting it in so it gets absorbed, taking that time, that moment for yourself. And I love this whole line because it's very intentional. Like even as I learning earlier, the way it's like bottled and the scent of it aromaccology, like it kind of already starts you on this journey of trying to wind down, calming yourself, taking care of yourself. Anyways, after the, you know, the lotion, you do the moisturizer usually or like a serum followed by a moisturizer. And then in the morning it is the sunscreen. So really probably just like five steps um at most. Um and so a lot more simple but each product is layered with active. So you are still getting the benefits without you know layering on so many things that can irritate. Again kind of going back to more like that simplicity and minimalism but still working well so that we can stick to it long term. >> Yeah. Let's not forget the Chaseedo cotton pads. >> Yeah. the most luxe ones going and I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. >> So, >> yes, Japanese lotion as you talk about that is more like a toner but really is not. >> Um, I've written about that before. Most underrated stuff. >> Yes, I was going to say so underrated. >> Skinare routine. >> I don't have that. >> Oh, I need to try um cuz you like my first time trying I'm like how is this water going to make my skin feel hydrated? But it it is it does very calming. >> It's kind of like a liquid toner, but it has a little bit more plumpness to it. >> And so when you apply it, it does it's like instant juiciness kind of thing. And nobody does it like the J beauty. Nobody. >> But doesn't it doesn't leave like residue? >> No. Get like sticky. It's okay. That's the beauty of it. >> Okay. So, we've done our research around here, and from what I understand, in Japan, there's a time-honored tradition of kaizen, which directly translates to good change. And it's the idea that you can reach your goals in increments. So, baby steps during the day result in long-term cumulative results, like 1% better every day. So, Dr. What would be some examples of some skin care habits that would give you that best improvement over time? Like a little thing. >> Oh, I I feel like people have said so much like wear sunscreen every single day. No, but I'm not going to say that. I'm going to say, you know, don't touch your face. I said this earlier. I just touch my face. Why did you touch your face? Um, I I guess I I do feel, you know, that number one, you're probably rubbing off some of the sunscreen, but you're maybe transferring bacteria and especially if you're a picker. You're I think just not touching your face, giving your skin some time to rest, so you're not constantly like kind of attacking your skin barrier. That would be one. I mean, I feel like I could go on and on. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, that's a good one. >> I'm a skin picker. Oh, >> that you know I know I shouldn't say that but >> a dermatologist. I feel like our pickers that's why we went to dermatologist >> when then you get in those hotel mirrors that should be illegal. They get too close. >> Then you have no choice. >> Friends with one of those in my bathroom this morning at the hotel and I go this should not be tempting. I got to go. >> I'm like overhead lighting. >> Yeah. >> Why is that not like this? This is nice. >> No, this is safe space. fluorescent overhead lighting. >> No, absolutely. Um, and how does this concept of Kaisen, this 1% better everyday resonate with you, Lucy? >> It's it's really it resonates much more now at 36 than it did when I was, >> you know, 21 and wanting that I wanted to be better now. Like it's but I think that is >> I was chasing the wrong thing. I think what I've always been chasing is like being at home with myself, being at peace with myself. I think like my approach to skincare, my approach to makeup, my approach to beauty, like we can put on all the products in the world and all the makeup in the world, but like you have to feel good in your own skin. And so I think this approach of >> a baby step each day and not and and it's it's it's a what do they say? It's a marathon, not a sprint, right? And it and it really is. And I think just >> finding a way to be more gentle with myself and using more gentle products like it really is >> a lifestyle. >> Yeah. >> What about like adjacent to that like sleep or social connection? Like other things that make you 1% better every day or like that maybe you have a specific example that you've worked on, you know? >> No, I genuinely think you glow more when you're around people that you love. Like truly like there's just something internal that happens. your aura, if you will. I mean, definitely sleep, definitely how you're treating your body, >> water, all the things. But I think there is something that happens when you are like living your truth and living >> your joy, chasing joy, being creative. >> Yeah. All of >> you can't put a price on that. >> Yeah. We recently learned um that >> social connectedness is actually the biggest predictor of longevity in like all the other things, eating well, exercising, there's like six or seven pillars, but social connectedness makes us live longer and actually it made all kinds of sense to me. >> Have you guys seen a documentary called Happy? >> No. >> Please watch it. It probably came out 20 years ago and it's a documentary >> um I think it's on Netflix somewhere. you can watch it. But um it's a documentary about they travel to different places in the world and they interview the people around the world of what makes them feel the most fulfilled and like the definition of happiness everywhere is so different. Like in America it's money, it's success. In Japan, it's like hustle, right? It's like people work so hard in Japan. And then there's this I think it's a tiny island off of Japan where these people live to be like 115. >> Okay. And I think they said their secret is saki and sleep, >> but also community. >> Community like they >> when they have kids, it's raised in the community and they're always there for each other. So there really is something to like >> we're meant to have that as humans, I think. >> Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. >> So I love the idea of the ritual, but I also have my personal tagline, which is I'm lazy slash busy. you know, just realistically it's hard. We, you know, we've got the podcast. I've got another business. I've got two kids. So, um I think that idea of being present is so important, but really tough to do it. You guys living in New York, I'm sure you're always thinking about the next thing. >> So, um can you tell us what could we do like in the next two weeks because we're going to be talking about what you can achieve in two weeks. Um, what could we do that we actually would notice a difference in two weeks? >> I think one thing that's underrated is moisturizing your skin. >> Yeah. >> Um, again, going back to that skin barrier story, when your skin barrier is healthy, your skin is just going to look better and it's going to do its job way better, helping with maybe uneven tone and texture. It's going to be better hydrated. kind of going back to the core of J beauty. What I think of is is kind of that foundation routine that you can stick to that can make a big difference in just the quality of your skin without having to do a lot. And that's easy to stick with too with a busy lifestyle. >> Yeah, we get asked this all the time lately, why skin is now referred to as skin barrier instead of just skin. And I think like from a practical point of view, it's just easier to understand that when your skin barrier is kind of broken, I always think about it the bricks in a wall. Yes. It can lead to so much more damage. >> Whether it's like rosacea, I had permenopausal rosacea come up. There's so many things that are linked to skin barrier. And as you say, just like just moisturize every day if you can just do that. I really like to say like your skin's kind of like leather, you know, like in the sense where you have to take care of your leather. You have to, you know, maybe lotion that otherwise if it cracks, it's not going to look good. It's not going to function well. Our skin is the same thing. You know, obviously it's meant to hold us together, but it has more to that. There's actually it has its own dedicated immune system in our skin. Um, and there's temperature regulation. So, aside from, you know, the function of it too, um, the aesthetics of it, it's meant to kind of keep bad things out and keep good things in, like the water. And so, even minor cracks, like not like a cut in your skin, but minor cracks like you said in that brick and mortar, things can get in. This is where you can get sensitivity, can get dryness, um, and kind of, you know, like the the irritation. And so, taking care of our skin at that basic level is so important. And Lucy, how would you say that your own skin and skincare ritual as a result has changed from your early 20s. So basically when you started Pretty Little Liars to now, >> I mean, I think beauty was just so different then. I think it was really a more is more approach. Like that was when all the, you know, 15step skincare routines were coming into play. And definitely with makeup, it was just >> like >> the 2016 era. >> Strip lashes. I was like, I loved an eyeliner. um like that just super bronzy bronzy look. Um I think >> and maybe this just happens with age as well. I booked I started that show when I was 19 20. >> Um >> and I think when you're that age sometimes you're trying to mask in a way. Absolutely. >> But now I'm more comfortable in my own skin and there's so much research now that like simple is better. Um being consistent is better especially for my skin type. Like I will break out if you look at me the wrong way, you know? Like I have to use things that >> That's like me. >> Yeah. Yeah. And and even at 36 I'm like, "Does it stop?" No, it keeps happening. >> I'm here to tell you from the future that it doesn't. I'm sorry to tell you. >> That's all right. >> But, you know, I feel like >> we do what we can. We do what we can. >> I feel like you're going to be okay. But yeah, we all will. >> Um Yeah. So, I think it's just more simple all around. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I think you know what I I've done some work on camera and just like making peace with your face on camera or like peace with your pores. Like I think that that can be very >> uh not triggering, that's not the right word, but it's a learning curve. >> I'm so glad you brought this up because I think it's so important to remember that skin has texture. I think it's like I I got I get so used to seeing things online where I'm like, >> "Oh, maybe I'm not supposed to." But it's like skin even and healthy skin has texture, has pores. >> Um, and I think really making peace with that, especially when you're in front of a camera. And >> um, I haven't quite gotten there, but you know, you work on it. >> It's a process. 1% better every day. Lucy, >> there. >> There we go. >> Way to bring it back. >> Um, I want to ask you, I'm almost embarrassed to ask you this because you are so young and I'm 50, by the way. Proud at 50. >> Wow. Um, but I want to ask you about aging in Hollywood. >> You're still a baby, >> but you have been vocal about aging and expectations and that. So, maybe you could just share some of your thoughts. >> Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, it's I can only I've been in entertainment since I was 15, so I don't know it differently. I'm sure it's this way in just out in the world in general with women. I think there's just a pressure to keep up with the trends, keep up with on Tik Tok, oh, I need to buy this thing, I need this machine, I need >> and I think there is a pressure in Hollywood definitely like aging is sometime and I think it's come a long way, but I think maybe aging is viewed as you have an expiration date, but there's so many women who are having huge comebacks in their career like Demi Moore and all these amazing women and like >> you know, look at Mel Streep and Glen Close, like these beautiful women who have aged so gracefully. Like it's a gift to age. It is a gift to grow old. Like, >> and I'm not saying I've made peace with that, but like I think kind of having that mentality will bleed into everything. And >> I, you know, I I I care about sk how my skin looks, but I also know that >> um I want to age as gracefully as possible. But yeah, there there is a pressure, but I think I don't know. It it definitely is there. I'm like being very careful about what I'm saying, but like it definitely is there. But I also think like >> everyone has their own idea of what beautiful is for them. And like I never judge what anyone is doing because if that inherently makes you feel more beautiful and you can show up in the world and feel better, like >> more power to you. It's not up to anyone. Like I hate when I'm online and I see people judge a public person who they know nothing about about the way they look or because of something they've done. It's like you don't know the story behind that. There's so much more going on. And >> and I think I've learned that people just kind of project anyway. So, >> I think you make a good point though that there's actually role models that like the fact that u Mel Streetep is in the biggest movie that's coming out versus like 25 30 years ago you didn't have as many incredible roles for women who were uh not 20. So now at least there is a path, >> right? You know, and I love the Reese Witherspoon model where she just like scoops up her projects and and just cast talent women in charge helps that happen, right? >> Well, and I think also and then I'm sorry I'll let you move on is I think >> it's evolved so much because even two decade ago, two decades ago, women were still just like, "Okay, just be beautiful." But now women are doing so much more. Like we care about what we have to say that it doesn't even have to do with how the way that we look. Like we are full of idea. I think we're being celebrated more for our creativity and ideas and strength more and more each day. One person. >> Exactly. Exactly. And Lucy, what about the wellness trends that are blowing up this year in your A-lister group chat? Because I want to know um what are your peers intrigued by? What are you intrigued by? Cuz we know in Hollywood they get to try everything first. Are you a guinea pig pig? >> So I will try I will try anything. You will? >> I will. Well, you guys probably know more of the trends than me. I feel like everyone is talking about peptides. >> Yes. >> And and I don't know that much about it, but like I'm intrigued. People are obsessed with like in LA it's just like peptide and it's called a stack >> like that. Yeah. >> Um and people are doing What are we doing? Like people love lasers. People love What are the other What are the cool things? You guys probably know more than me. >> Yeah. I mean the IV spa I I just went to one in in Denver, right? cuz I was I had altitude sickness, but I was like, "Thank goodness these exist." Like, people can just go in for what you need. I'll take some B12. I'll take some vitamin C. >> I feel like that's that's a real thing now. >> Um the other thing that we're seeing in Toronto, and you you guys probably have this here as well, but I feel like the whole social wellness um clubs like spas where it's more like >> people go as a group and you do all kinds of activities just like where we are here. >> Yeah. But there's like places where you can even go at night and there's a DJ and they have like special >> like non-alcoholic drinks. Like it's a whole it's more of like a community >> like health community. >> Yeah. Like social wellness. >> Social wellness is very cool. >> All right. And what about you, Dr. Lou? What regular wellness activities are you actually doing versus something that might be trendy that you're not as into? >> Sleep. I think of sleep is so important as you get like in my 40s now I have two little kids I'm constantly sleep deprived especially with work and travel and I think one night of bad sleep I might will not only reflect in my body but in my skin you know your skin gets dry um and gets more easily irritated and um you know if you think about it our skin is doing just like the rest of our body doing most of the repair at night right and so if you're not sleeping well I think that definitely can take a toll longterm on just your like skin health. Um, and we know that ages you're faster. So, I feel like no skincare routine can replace a good night of sleep or just consistent sleep. If you can put all the wonderful products, but if you're not taking care of yourself >> um comprehensively, right, like diet, exercise, and sleep, then you're not going to get the best results. >> I need to ask you about something you said before that our skin has an immune system. >> Yeah. >> So, what happens if you don't sleep enough? Does that affect your skin immunity? Absolutely. So there's actually conditions like you know psoriasis and eczema we see that it's actually the immune system in our skin acting up. We don't know the chicken and the egg is it genetic trigger versus the environment versus the barrier defect that causes but yeah we have a like a huge immune system in our skin and when we don't sleep well there is increase in cortisol and that drives inflammatory cells and that inflammation can increase like you know redness, rosacea, flares, acne um and then you know your skin is you know repairing at night and so it's going to reduce its ability to repair. So that inflammation can definitely break down your skin barrier and certainly over time that can manifest as like uneven skin texture and skin tone too. >> Yeah. >> Um Lucy, what about Hollywood treatments? We kind of touched on this, but um there seems to be a new one popping up every week and I read that you even audition for the substance. >> I did. Yeah. >> Um which of course explores the dark side of, you know, chasing the fountain of youth. What are your thoughts on these types of more those interventions, let's say? And no judgment because I love I love Botox. >> I think but I think it goes back to like say like I will try you know whatever to each their own. I really think >> like my version is different from your version and >> yeah I mean people there's so many there's so many things out there these days and you know for me I I'm more I think I lean more like holistic these days like a holistic approach but I remembered one thing where you were like what are people talking about? um fascia release and mass release like >> and scalp fascia like it does it like lifts your face, right? >> And so that to me is really fascinating. Like I had a facial um with this woman named Leanne um a couple weeks ago and she does I mean she does like microcurrent all the things beautiful products but she did like fashca release all the way down to my chest and like how she released here affected something here and like she released my scalp and it opened my eyeballs. She opened up my sinuses. My eyeballs like literally got bigger. Oh, so there are things you can do at home like that that that really >> that makes sense cuz we do Botox too also to help lift. >> So, you know, it's kind of tethered down. So, if you release that, >> it helps just overall just like that. >> Like I used to do Botox in my jaw because I have TMJ like no other. But it changed the way my my face shape. So, I stopped doing it. So, when you do the mass release, it's so painful. But >> Oh, have you ever had it? >> I've had it cuz I get TMJ symptoms. >> Yeah. Yeah. It really helps. It helps with headaches and and everything, but basically they like go in and >> Did it still feel like a facial or did it feel like a chiropractic treatment on your face? >> It felt like an exorcism. >> That's what I want to know. >> Yeah. Like like this is the facial where you you might not fully zone out, but >> you're like you were more um involved. >> Yes. Yes. That's what I mean. I've had lymphatic drainage and I think that's just like the next iteration of that and that's amazing as well, right? It's just that holistic things and then you're like it kind of makes a light bulb go off where you're like oh yeah everything is >> connected so connected I can't remember who we interviewed and they were talking about >> the scalp the power of the scalp massage and that as a treatment because they're like first of all our skin that is part of our face really it's our it's just up here >> and so they're like if you think about it and you're pulling back here it's all lifting like if you want this lifted you have to start up here. I was like, didn't really think about that. I guess it doesn't end here. It's really >> right. So, it's like you almost need to be focusing more >> up there. Yeah. >> And well, yeah. And so many people are doing like brow lifts and stuff and you're like, "Girl, you got to back there." The ponytail brow lift. >> Yeah, man. >> Um, okay. I think it's time to get into the innovation of the day. >> So, Dr. I'm excited to talk to you about the latest and greatest from Chaseedo, the new Benefit products that promise brightening and smoothing in just 14 days. It's that's just an incredible claim. Um, so how many of you are fans of Benefit? Do you know the eye cream already? It's like iconic. So many people love that. >> What do you say to people who say maybe I don't need an eye cream? I think especially as you get older in our 30s and 40s, this is a time to think about it because with aging, we get more dry skin and eye dark circles and puffiness. I mean, that is one of the most common concerns I actually get consultation wise in my in my practice. And so, you want products that specifically address the eye area because your eye is one of the most delicate on the face. Um, and then with ingredients that help. And it's really nice because this eye cream, it targets five different areas. Not all eye creams are tested and can be used on upper eyelid and also helps with the gloella which is really nice because we all have those like stubborn wrinkles that won't go away >> between the eyebrows. Yeah. Yeah. The lemon here. >> I didn't know that inner eye inner eye and then puffiness and dark circles and it's got wonderful ingredients like peptides um jensen caffeine all working together to help. So I I do feel eye cream especially as we get older is something that I always recommend to my patients to really help address those just stubborn like dryness that you know people say like my my concealer is caking. I can't you know so that eye cream really helps with that. >> Who knew you apply your eye cream here to your 11s? You heard it here first. >> Yeah. >> Can you do it here? I mean, I mean, this this eye cream is so thick. It's thick, but it's um it's it's got a nice slip and it doesn't like cause your makeup to like, you know, fall down, which is what I love. But it provides just the amount of the right amount of hydration and what you need. So, yeah, you >> do it everywhere. >> All the fine lines off label. Off label. >> Yeah. Um and Dr. Dr. Lou, what were your first thoughts when the benefits range they presented the research to you and said there's results in as few as 14 days. Usually it's like 30 days, 60 days, 90 days, 120 days. So 14 days I'm going what? So what was your reaction? >> I would say healthy skepticism >> because yes, you are right. Um 14 days that is a pretty bold claim, right? But then I look at their studies, they have clinicals which is something I appreciate as a dermatologist and it is long-term and you know Chaseedo has that like 12 week out. But what we are seeing that 14-day is really the impact of the skin care the ritual from Chaseedo Benfian line and helping with skin hydration and that barrier health is how I think of it because our skin turns over anywhere between 28 to maybe a little bit longer than 30 days as we get older. But that 14 day is actually the top layer of your skin, the stratum corneium turning over. So I think at least for me to make sense of it in the science is that you are improving your top layer. So that skin barrier, right? You're hydrating your skin and with that your skin is going to look softer, smoother, better in texture and then with that better turnover, it's going to look more bright and so may help with some of that uneven tone. >> Right? That's what it's really addressing. Okay. And then longterm the permanent changes comes with more consistent three months. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I was about to say I feel like I could hear you talk about anything do it with such clarity. I'm like I try to >> more the practice of social media I guess. >> Very good at it. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Um okay so the new products the Benefit dark spot and wrinkle smoothing serum and also the new Benefons brightening and wrinkle smoothing cream. Nailed it. >> Yes. Yes. Uh, so they both contain I will have to look at my notes for this because this is a new ingredient I had not heard of even as a beauty editor of over 20 years. It's called pacal pto. So what is this extract and how does it benefit the skin? >> I love talking about ingredients and science. You want to get like super excited. Oh my gosh. Okay, so picto extract. So this is really cool. It's a basically like you can think of it as like a plantder derived retinol. And why I really love kind of the formulation what we're discovering with plant derived is that it's so fascinating. This particular extract actually binds to the receptor a topical retinoid like for example tininoone which we think of as like the holy grail. It actually binds to the retinal receptors in the skin. That's how like trein works when we think about like the OG binds to the receptors and that's how it activates genes and does what it does helping with collagen helping with skin turnover. But then the dark side of topical retinoids is that it does also irritate the skin. Um and we think because there are certain there are a couple different receptors in our skin and so that causes the irritation and then one causes the benefits. And with the paca pto extract, it actually binds to the receptor that offers the benefits but doesn't bind to the one that causes irritation is my understanding by reading the literature. So what essentially it's doing is giving you the benefits of a topical retinoids and helping with skin turnover, helping longterm with collagen support, but not the irritation. >> That's good to know because sometimes I only think something's working if I like feel the burn. >> Feel the burn. But yeah, it's not always the best way, is it? Well, that's the that is the North American way, right? >> Yeah. Cuz in Asia, like people complain if they feel stuff like their skin care is causing sensation. That's >> like at least in China, you know, people I'll have comments on Red Note. Um people say like, "This burns or this stinks. Is this supposed to be this way?" >> Somebody hit me in the face. I'm like, "Make it more." I would >> feel it. It's true though. I think this is why like again as editors we're always surveying the market and there's like a built-in >> sensitivity check or something where it's like if it if it's going to sensitize it just is not in there which I think >> well going back to the whole concept of like tolerability. That's how I think of Japanese skincare is like well formulated products that you can use long term. >> I just think it's amazing how far we've come with like a plant-based retinol. >> I always wonder how they go about >> Yeah, it does knowing which plant >> I know can do that. I actually have followed this like ethanol botonist who does all of these amazing videos about like finding these and ingredients and making them work. It's something fascinating. What a cool job. >> Very very cool. >> And Lucy, I need to know how are you using this uh new Benefit serum and brightening moisturizer in your routine? >> Yeah, I mean I love when things are simplified for me. Like when I know the product and the line is trusted, I'm getting everything I need. um it really, you know, I have more time to do other things, right? So, I love that. Like, to me, if your skin care is amazing, you don't really need like much more makeup or anything else. So, um these products really work. And what I like about them, sensitive skin, sensitive Queens United, um it it doesn't irritate my skin and it's very lightweight. Like I don't know if I feel like things are too heavy on my skin, I get a little panicky, but um >> yeah, beautiful ingredients, sciencebacked. >> Have you guys tried the serum yet? >> Oh, it's so nice. >> It's like this milky texture that they just nailed. It's kind of like a gel milk. >> So good. >> Yeah, the packaging, the high design is amazing. >> Beautiful. >> Um well, you might as well drop your whole skincare routine for us. >> That's it, babe. That's it. No, that No, it really like as far as products, it really is that simple. Like I do, you know, I like a little gouacha. I like a little LED light mask. I try to, you know, visit the dermatologist. I think being consistent with facials, just like my skin can get clogged, so just like >> getting all the stuff out. Do you >> um do you sheet mask on the plane or not? >> I do. You know what else I do? I do all the things with my I bring in my LED mask sometimes. >> I bring my my heating pad. Some Like I do I do anything you can do. I do. >> Yeah. like I um compression socks. >> Anyway, now I'm going >> I respect the travel game and I need to get more into it. >> I do find that hydrating your skin with a sheet mask. It really does. It really does help. >> Yeah. Do you do that Dr. >> I don't do on the plane as much unless it's like international flight, but what I would do is like before an event or like at the night time like a hotel, pop it in the fridge. >> Yeah. I love that. >> Love it. >> And our last question for you, Dr. What are some habits that you would never do that would have a big impact on your skin in just 2 weeks? >> I would never I don't think I've ever gone to sleep without washing my face. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think that's really important in um cuz that buildup will not only cause acne but actually can serve as like an irritant to your skin barrier. And if your skin is repairing itself, most of us sleep at night then or just when you sleep kind of your you have your own internal circadian rhythm. you want to really give it the best opportunity to repair itself. So, I think I would never not wash my face. Um, >> I used to give myself a pass if I wasn't having if I wasn't wearing makeup. Like, if I was having a no makeup day, I was like, well, why do I really need to wash my face? >> But you probably would. What would you say about that? >> Well, use sunscreen. Sunscreen. Um and just throughout the day there's probably partic particullet pollution that we know actually aside from UV that's another trigger for skin aging or inflammation we call it because it affects your skin barrier all that does impact so >> all that subway dust. >> Yeah inflammaging >> inflammation that is like the basically lowgrade smoldering inflammation that contributes to accelerated aging. Yeah. Probably more so in the skin aspect because we see a lot of inflammatory diseases. >> Right. Yeah. >> Right. Well, thank you so much for both sharing your excellent skincare insights. >> I learned a lot. >> So did I. Um, now we're going to do a little quick game of rapid fire. So, let's go. All right. >> I'm a little nervous. >> You'll be fine. Lucy, what was the most used beauty essential on set in your Pretty Little Liars days? >> Oh. Oh, like fake eyelashes. >> So many. So many lashes. >> Okay. Dr. Lou, best skin care advice you've ever received that lives rentree in your head. >> Uh, sunscreen every single day, rain or shine. Um, prevention. Yeah, prevention is going to be much better than trying to fix it because you can never reverse it fully. And nor do we want to, but yeah, prevention. >> I agree. >> Um, Lucy, Pretty Little Liars, I'm sure it's no surprise to you, it's a lot of people's comfort show. >> So funny. When you see the Tik Tok comments, people, they're like, "I'm on my third rewatch this year." >> I think it's cuz there's so many episodes and people like to >> We need We need a 22 episode season again. What's your comfort show >> right now? Love on the Spectrum. >> Oh, yeah. >> I'm watching the new season right now. It's so sweet. It's so heart. It reminds you of all the good in the world. I love it. Have you seen it? Love on the Spectrum. >> It's really beautiful. >> Yeah. I need to catch up on the most recent season, but I have seen it and I love it. >> There's a new guy, Logan, who's like an angel. That's very good. >> Okay. Wonderful. Wonderful. >> Fill in the blank. My favorite way to end the day is >> Do you want to go first? >> My gosh. >> Oh, I know mine. >> No, you go. No, no, no, please. >> Oh, favorite way to end the day. Uh, get getting to bed on time. I don't know that that sleep is really a high because I Oh, >> well, my my I have younger kids, but going to sleep on time. >> I love it. Mine was a little similar. It was my favorite way to end the day is >> and in bed at like 9:30 with my dogs. Just like dog time know like crawling into bed knowing you're going to get 8 to 10 hours of sleep. >> I know you're a mom so you're like shut up. >> But um but 6 to 8 hours of sleep is just the best feeling. >> Yeah. And the dog snuggles are everything. >> Forget about it. Yeah. >> Everything. >> Um Lucy, the one mantra or affirmation that you swear by to help you feel confident. Maybe you're not having such a great day. What do you say to yourself? I always go back to it's very simple but I think a lot of times I can go into like fear mindset. So just reminding myself that I'm safe like always even it's just as simple as that just like noticing things around me like anything that helps me get really present >> reminding that myself that my two feet are on the ground and just being like putting my phone away just anything that brings me back to the present moment. I think >> I can run a little anxious so anything that >> brings me into the current moment is key for me. Do you have one of those brick things for your phone? Do you know what I'm talking about? >> Does it like block? >> Do you guys know what I'm talking about? The brick. It basically prevents you from opening social media. You set it on a timer. >> I need I I I would be a good candidate for that. >> I'm interested in it. I'm interested. Chronically online right here. Right here. >> Yeah. Um Lucy, what's one thing you can share with us about reuniting with Ian Harding from Pretty Little Liars for um this upcoming movie, 12 Days of Christmas, your new holiday romcom coming out, >> this Christmas 12 days of Christmas. 12 story. >> Um, we so we shot that this last Christmas >> and I talked to the producers and I was like, you know what would be really fun >> is if we cast Ian as the as the lead opposite me and >> it was so great. I hadn't worked with him since the show. I hadn't seen him in over 5 years, but it definitely like there's such an ease with working with him. There always has been. He's truly so kind and so deserving of all of his success and we had a good time. He's exactly the same. >> We're like, "Oh, we're a bit older, but like we're playing more age appropriate um uh characters this time around." So, >> yeah. That's great. Well, thank you for sharing. I'm that little sneak peek. I'm excited to see. >> It's fun. It's fun. It'll come out this Christmas. Yeah. >> All right. Well, thank you so much for you, Lucy, and for you, uh, Dr. Lou, for joining us and for all of you as well. >> Yay. >> Thank you, guys. Thank you for fun.