Sometimes I can get I can have like blinders on and so is there something I'm not seeing clearly or something I should run towards? >> This is an acknowledgement of how deep your connecting. Is there an unopened door that I should be going down? Wow. >> >> Welcome to Cards on the Table. I'm Angie Van Eeky and I'm so excited for you to feel this show. It's not something you're just going to listen to. It's not what you're going to watch. You get to come in and be a part of an interview / card reading with some really amazing guests. And who we have today? I can't wait to share with you. This is someone I'm meeting for the first time. She is an actress. She's a singer. You might know her from Pretty Little Liars. Liars. We have I like super close. Yep. Yep. Lucy Hale. Hi. Thank you so much for being here. >> I would actually was having this conversation the other day about how many shows have lies in it cuz I'm watching a show called Tell Me Lies right now. Obsessed. Have not watched that. >> Lies, Pretty Little Liars, We Were Liars. I was like, you know, To be a part of any of those is an honor. Anyway, and they all like >> It's you're in good company. You're in really good company. >> drama drama. Um but I'm so happy to be here and I'm so happy to meet you. >> Thank you. Wait, I have to tell you Um >> >> I've been like feeling your energy all day and my daughter and I went shopping and I was like, I have to get this for you. It is called um purple. Have you heard of purple chalcedony? No. So, okay. Me neither. But I saw it and I was like, this is for you. >> me. >> It opens your third eye cuz I know you're very I'm a I can feel your how tapped in you are. It opens your third eye. It connects you to dreams. And and it's like raises your frequency and I kept thinking I was like, her frequency's already pretty high. >> Wow. This is so beautiful. I've never heard of this. And it kind of matches your nails and your little cards. I'm a purple girl. Well, isn't that the highest frequency color? Purple. It's yeah. It's yeah. You know. And okay, so this is good because I'm trying to get my dreams. I'm trying to really tap into my dreams. Before we dive into everything, I really would love for you to let me know where's your heart, how are you feeling? Mhm. Do you have any intention before we pull cards? >> Yes. Okay, so it is the Lunar New Year today. I know. Such a special And I followed the rules. I didn't wash my hair. I didn't clean my house. Did you hear about all of the >> I heard lots of the rules. So, I feel like in general the last couple years of my life, I've really like cleaned up my life. I've like made some changes and I like did personal house cleaning if you will and I really curated my life in a really beautiful way and you know, in the midst of all that, it's been uh challenging and there's been some heartache and etc. etc. But I feel like my life is in a pretty balanced place. Um I feel you know, very fulfilled in a lot of different areas of my life, but I guess cuz I was as I was driving over here I was driving in silence and I was just connecting and I normally with these types of things, I like to keep it pretty open. I feel like whenever I've had a reading or I've seen a psychic or gone to a medium, I've always just said what have whatever the message is, like I'm open to receiving whatever I need to hear the most because I know sometimes I can get I can have like blinders on and so I guess my intention is what area of my life should I focus on this year? Um or is there something I'm not seeing clearly or something I should run towards? Not necessarily where I'm getting in my own way, but just is there um an unopened door that I should be going down. Um but I'm also such an open book, so I my heart is open, my mind is open, so I think those of us that are open to like finding those things. Like is there an unopened door? Like that just allows for the biggest magic to come through, you know? Um >> And we're going to see how we're going to we're going to see how this car how everything wants to come through before Um I just want to spray a little bit of palo santo just to help us like lock in. So, we're going to start with the Celtic Cross. And before I do that and actually saying that, um tell me your birthday cuz I think I saw it was a Gemini. Yes. June 14th. June 14th. Yeah. Oh my god. Because you're I have so much to say now but I haven't started. >> Okay. Okay, we're going to pull the cards and actually I'll say a little bit. So, Gemini, I mean you you've been moving stuff out of the way. You've been moving through stuff. Um in your numbers, cuz I will have to look at numerology. You have a very special year. Actually, the next few years. I'm very excited for you. Okay. Wow, these cards are cool, the art. Oh. >> >> Okay. >> >> Okay, your first and last card are so fun. Okay. Um It's funny cuz what's behind you is sort of what's what's cleared, what's what's past and the three of wands reversed. Like this is sort of implying you haven't you haven't given up, but you may not have felt completely in your creative life. >> Yeah. power and >> Yeah. Actually, let me tell you, this year you're in the three year in numerology and if you look Yes. So, if you look We have two threes. Okay, cool. >> Okay? And so, this is sort of like there's something I look at that and I'm like, how you're aligning with your passion and what you're meant to be creating is like ready to Yeah. ready to flourish. Your focus cards for the right now, I'm going to kind of jump around here cuz I kind of go with what what jumps out at me. And it's interesting cuz I the Ten of Pentacles, this card this focus is like it's like a beautiful like you have so much to be grateful for. Like this is like surrounded by abundance, family, support, love, like >> Dogs. Yes. Lots of like all the money. Like it's a very just like you're good and you know it and don't forget how much there is around you. Um and on the contrary, this card is like you don't need to plan out your legacy. You don't need to almost like you there is so much more coming for you that this isn't the moment to be like here's financially like my goals or like not even my goals, but like this is where I need to be right now. It's interesting cuz your first card is I mean, this is usually love. This one? Uh-huh. The Knight of Cups. Okay. It can be passion. It's very much and it's crossed in a way that's like let yourself be in this like let yourself enjoy the ride. Got it. >> Like let yourself enjoy the ride and let follow your passions. Mhm. Or be in love. Also, this three year for you the three year is one of my favorites. Because in numerology, it is like you are just like you're just like pulling towards you. Like people are seeing you and they're like, who is that? Or people are thinking of you and they're like, we I want you to come like be involved in this project I'm doing. It's just very um a lot of times in the three year, people come into your life Mhm. that you may not even see how important it's going to be, but there's an real deep importance to it. Like there's a lot of synchronicity in the three year. And we just have start You have Even if you're like, I'm kind of already feeling that, I would be like, oh, it's about to really ramp up. I'm ready. In a way that's just like it's the yes for me, I always tell people the three year is the yes year. And just to prep you, 2027 is probably going to be a lot of like exciting work for you. Okay. Not that there's not exciting work now, but this year is like I said, it's a little bit lighter where it's fun. It's fun. So, you're like, I'm going on this project and like, it's like some of my favorite people and this is so cool. I'm like, what's going to happen next? Like it's very that like and it's like, yes. Oh, I mean I mean, it doesn't mean you have to say yes to everything that shows up, but it is like, I'm going to go on that meeting cuz this is going to be Yeah. Um Well, that aligns 2027 aligns with what some things with the another it's called destiny card system and it does it by age and it says cuz I'm 36 now I'll be 37 in June. So 2027 I'll be like 37 38. Okay. Basically according to that system it's also like 38 to 42 I think is like prime prime years. That that makes sense with the numbers too. >> Yeah. Um your next month talk about being seen this six of Wands to me is like some things reminding you that card is you feeling like I still got it. I'm like you know what I mean like it's like something happening where you're like I got brought into this like it's it's usually in your work or in what you're getting to be creative like you're I'm like oh something's going to something's landing where you're like yeah and usually this card would be in the next month or two. Okay. And I like to do this at the beginning as we ask some other questions we're going to seek clear and by the way going back to where you're like are there any doors that are like not like I just have to say this now because you this is the superpower position this card is like you do best or you thrive when things aren't clear like when there's when there's like uncertainty is actually like which is a funny superpower but it's almost like when most people would be like I'm not sure about the same that's when you actually like shoot out and thrive so it's funny to me that you're like is there anything I'm not seeing and it's almost like this is the best space cuz you're you're wide open to see like you'll see exactly when you need to see you know like I have cards where I'd be like oh here's what we have to try to open up for you and I'm like oh no cuz you thrive here and when it's supposed to be clear it's like here you go. Yeah. Okay. Does that kind of makes is there anything in your life that's like I feel like my whole life is like that like my just naturally I want to plan and I try to like put a chokehold on life sometimes and like when does that ever work it doesn't ever. Wait tell me like how some of the roles that you've gotten or like how things have happened you said you moved out here when you I moved out here when I was 15 and my mom and I were like like let's just move to LA and Lucy be an actor and we didn't have a plan B and I had no idea you know what we were getting ourselves into but I think it was that kind of blind faith that because we didn't have a plan B it just everything has like my life has just been a series of like oh oh oh and it doesn't mean I haven't put in time and work of course I have but when you're aligned and on the right path it's like those doors do open and when things are uncertain it's like oh this unexpected thing pops up so I think that's a good lesson in just like surrendering to wherever life is trying to take me cuz I think when whenever I try to control too much it's like that's where the resistance is and that's where the disappointment and pain and sadness lies. I keep feeling like collectively we're all being taught that lesson like if you haven't learned it it's all we're all being shown like oh make a plan and get ready for the chaos to take one hundred percent. So one hundred percent having this is like is your mom still here? No so she lived in California with me till I was 18 and so all my family's back in Tennessee. Okay do you go I do I go see them maybe like once or twice a year. Yeah it's great it's it's I'm so happy I'm from that part of the world and my family's just always been so supportive and >> I mean how amazing your mom came in like Yeah it's crazy. So cool. >> It's crazy and I always ask her like how she was okay to just do that and she goes she's a she's a spiritual woman and she goes God let me know that that's where you you needed to be. Wow. All right I guess she was right so yeah. Special. Yeah she's sweet. This card this other three this is like this is interesting because this card Okay now I'm curious cuz I feel like maybe you're going to know what this is it comes out this is in the what you need to know. Okay. To me the way my cards speak to me is when the three of Pentacles is reversed it means you're going to be working on something that it's almost like taking a risk it's like that's work that you're like I don't really know how this turns out like I don't know if this is going to I mean I suppose it could be an acting job but it feels like when I looked at it I was like but it feels like something else cuz it feels like you're like this could be big and I'm like putting myself into it. >> exactly what it is so it's it's kind of you want me to tell you? >> Yeah. Because I'm one of those people that's like until it's fully fleshed out I don't know but I can give you the vague it has to do with um curiosity and community and connection and doesn't have to do with acting at all but it it more started as kind of a hobby I naturally am just curious about everything I mean before we started I was talking to you about how I believe dragons were real and I just go on these deep dives about things and I just love exploring and I feel like many other people are equally as curious and so it has to do with something you're something I'm building within that space but it's like you said I I don't really know I have kind of an end goal of what I hope it could be but I don't know exactly the path quite yet. Well this just feels like this is why I kind of love that card cuz it it feels like it's setting you up to say get ready you're going to be excited and you're going to be working on something that feels like Yeah. Woah this is where I want to pour my energy and I don't know the success of it but I know that it feels so good and that card usually means and it will be because you're like just creatively inspired you know. Yeah lead with your passion. Yeah. >> cool. That one looks scary. >> >> This card is your fear card and by the way it's about using your voice. And so to me that and in in this position it's around I'm sorry but the way I would read this is around relationship. Okay. And this is like don't be afraid to like say the things Yeah. that you might not want to say. Yeah. And because of this I'm I don't know how to this just feels like your life is like the Ace of Cups can just be I suppose it can just be like this next level of you I mean when I saw that I was like oh relationship is an important part of this year. Yeah like love relationship yeah. Yeah. And don't be afraid and it's funny cuz this three year to a lot of times when I'll do reading I like to look at the patterns and a lot of times for people that are single in the third year it's sort of like watch out cuz you're also attracting a lot like it's almost like you could Yeah. you're going to attract the wrong and the right I don't get any of that for you I just get I just feel like it's time now to go deep into like that's how this feels that's how it's like starting and going. Got it. Okay. So open up okay where do we want to and you guys okay so now I'm going to get in trouble a little bit I channel through music. Really I love that. So you're going to get a playlist at the end of the session because my music we don't have music playing but I just have my little channeling I hit shuffle on Spotify uh-huh and the music will talk with us and the song is Center Field which is all about you being like that song always comes on where it's like you're being seen but it just switched to the song go do by Jonesy and this song always comes on where it's like again with this like you >> This one? Yes because that go do is like get ready to like don't hold back. Okay. Okay where do we want to go from here? Should we where do you think? What pops into your head first? Let's look more should we do career? Sure I'm just trying to think cuz I want to look at your side project but let's just ask career in general first. What do we need to what tell us about we're going to pull three cards and then how I like to do timeline is I made this system up I myself and so it's very like it's not a set amount of cards because it gives us this is where two it will show me if there's anything you need to be aware of or to look for or to be aware of in yourself to remove a block like I don't read cards the way like if you look at old school or sometimes people come to me and just be like I but I was told this but I'm like we come into this life to learn the lessons and then we like up level right and so it'll show us if there's anything to be like get ready for this next big step or this leap or what you need to see. >> Okay. Okay um what are we looking at for what um work career There he is again first card. >> >> First card Knight of Cups, which we What is that? >> Wow, the super card. This is the This is the one where I said you do well in uncertainty. >> Oh, they're back. They've returned. And the first And the first card So, the first card was not there at the beginning, but whenever it does this, remember I said we always see the beginning? >> Yeah. So, and we said this is like follow your passions, follow your passions. Okay. Um but the first card it's funny because that Knight of Pentacles is sort of like do not make it about work now. Like it's funny I even said work instead of career because because it's sort of like this isn't about you That card is like do not push her into work. Push her into following path Like that's like being in love with life, right? >> Yeah. This also is like it's like being in love with life and um don't try to be too sure of what you want >> Right, easy. Okay. Um but also I just want to ask you is there anything that you're kind of that Knight of Cups is like is there anything right now that you're like this is what I'm I mean I know we talked about this other project, but that this feels like something else. Is there something already lined up or that you're >> There are thing there's one it's like in what I do it's it could potentially happen and I wanted to >> But you're not sure. No, I'm sure, but it's like in the hands >> Right, right, right, but you're not sure if it's going. Oh, yes, it is. Yes. >> Perfect. Okay, perfect. Okay, but we wanted to. But we wanted to. Yes. Yeah. Um we can always go back and ask more about that, but let's look at the timeline because I look at this and I'm like >> Okay. I can kind of feel like it's happening. We just don't have clarity. And it's something you're excited about. >> I yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay, this is what Okay, this is what I wanted to say next year. >> Oh, wow. Because that's the other thing Okay, I was scared to say it. Yeah. But this could make sense in terms of like if you filmed something that comes out next year all of this felt like This is why we love having the music. >> Wow. >> Two door cinema club next year. It was like don't you hold that back from her? So, Okay. next year and I did say that where I was like 2027 is where it's like we need your work, we need your gifts. Yeah. We need your gifts out in the world in a big way. And the way this read, that's why I was like this is so big, but I was like do I tell her it's next year? >> It's fine. I it's it's good. And so, again, it doesn't mean nothing's happening this year, but >> Yeah. there's something so big Yeah. for you and I think it either it could just be that it comes out next year or it but next year is your big work year, okay? >> Okay. Good. There you know, there are things I am excited about this year, but I I have felt maybe for the last couple of years that something really meaningful is going to happen as far as um I don't know if it's the side thing or if it's a role I play that is just means something. Like I I'm just at this point in my life where I want to be a part of things that mean something and connect with people and um you know, choosing more intentional projects to be a part of and and I just not that I'm not ready now, but when you say all this like it doesn't scare me to hear that it's still like a little ways out because I feel like I've I've um been harboring some patience on some stuff on the work front. So, it doesn't freak me out at all. Okay, good. And hearing the way you just said that about like you want to be intentional is why those focus cards were like look at how much you have to be grateful for and don't worry about the legacy, but then like I said when I pulled through this I was like oh, whatever's coming feels so big that it sort of like it's good that you're already there. Like you're already like I want it to be intentional because I feel like then that's how it aligns to bring you the right >> Yes, but the gratitude is important to to that card of remembering what there is still to be grateful for. Okay, let's just see Okay, now that we got all of that, we got the big one out of the way. Can I just give her anything else? Oh, sorry. I keep thinking you're talking to me, but you're talking >> feel Okay. What else? for work? Okay. Wow. Same card again, this Knight of Cups. Um That's so funny. Funny? Because it is like it it's like these cards are screaming at you follow your feelings. What flashed to me and this is what sometimes happens as a way for me to understand what's coming through is like like it flashed to me this moment of before I reconnected with my now partner like work all during that time for me took a backseat in a way to and in a way that I wouldn't have like Yeah. And not to say that that's you, but that's just what I felt in my heart where I was like there might be something here and whether that it's around love or even just what you love in life, but there is something that it feels like right now you don't get to think in the context of like wands and pentacles are like work and this is like it's all feelings for her. That could also be what you're just in love with in life, right? Um I'm just going to pull >> Okay. >> a few more just I mean clearly they're screaming at us. >> Clearly that card and the song playing is Glory of Love. Oh my god. Okay, we're just going to try to pull a few more on work just so I can make sure that I've done it. And usually when I do this I go really fast through. I'm trying to slow down so everyone at home can see. Do you think this is about work or do you think it's about >> why I want to ask about love cuz I want to see if it comes out again. Okay. >> Because this could just be you're going to be so passionate about work and everything >> Yeah. >> that's coming this year, you're just going to feel so good about and you're just following the feelings. >> Yeah. Um but it also could be trying to tell us that's why I'm Yeah, I'm like we should explore. Yeah. >> >> Um let me just pull a few more, too, because like it's funny how it's funny how your cards are just like nope, we're telling Well, okay. Okay. Um okay, so more context. Remember at the beginning I got this and I said in the next month or two you're going to feel something where you're like I feel so seen, you know? Yeah. And that's part of that's part of what's setting things in motion. Got it. And again, remember at the beginning I said I think you're going to be meeting some people this year. Sometimes that meeting could be someone from the past shows back up in your life. This is like >> >> there might be something Okay, I'm going to give it to you real cuz I feel like Give it to me real. This is like there's probably going to be something that you want that gets either like they're like we're putting it aside or like we're not doing it Yeah. >> cards are like you're stay in possibility. Okay. Don't let whatever feels like a that cuz this is like it might feel unfair or you're like Oh, and this is like no, you stay in possibility. My instinct is either because it's coming back or a person the person who's doing it is going to hire you for something else. Okay. Great, yep. We'll take it. Okay. Oh. Okay. Wait, I think this thing that this whole thing I'm picking up on, I think this is happening like really, really soon. Like I think this is in the next 3 weeks. Okay. >> the The moon is guiding you. We'll just put it that way. This is like expect the unexpected and you're like you're going to be you're going to be very clear and your um I feel you traveling, too, and that card doesn't always mean travel, but when I turned it over for you, I feel some travel. Okay. Um What do we got? It's still rock and roll to me. This song I mean is it Billy Joel, one of my favorite artists? Of course, so >> we're tapping in. But also like it's still rock and roll Like to me, this is like we're taking you on a ride like you know exactly who you are and where you're going and it's you know? Yeah. Um So wait, so what you're picking up is the this. Yeah. where I'm like things are like this is like you're following your passions like you're going and all of this is like let yourself be seen even if it's just like in these moments of like oh, this cuz going back to that first reading and like next year is your big clear year. This year we're we're giving you little nuggets of passion and we're reminding you who loves you and what you're doing. This is again an overall By the way, you could get three great things this year. I think I just know I'm meant to tell you next year is like your big work year. Okay. Um Okay. Mhm. Should we just look at love for a second? Yeah. Okay. >> >> Okay. I mean this one keeps >> >> It's so funny. >> The Knight of Cups is like >> it is Yeah, that's But it really is it's just like it's it can be loving in a relationship, but it can just be like so in love with what you're doing. You know, like that could be an offer. Mhm. A job offer that you're like Oh my god, my heart's like jumping for joy. Yeah. Can we tell Lucy, what do we What do I need to tell her about love? Okay. Okay, interesting. Cards are different. That looks grim. That looks grim. >> Let me talk about this. This is like you You've already experienced loss. This is like This is This is acknowledging like the past >> Mhm. where you've had loss and it's interesting cuz this is one where you are It's interesting cuz this card is like let yourself grieve and let go of the past. Like that feels like not carrying anything because it's even two fives if you see it. It could be like someone that you dated in the past and it's sort of like you can even if you're This will show up sometimes for someone that's, you know, it's like a past relationship that we still sometimes can feel like a little bit of the pain in. >> Uh does that make sense? >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely. >> Yeah. Um it doesn't feel like when I turned it over I I felt I could say all that cuz I didn't feel like it was fresh. Like I didn't feel like this is something. It's more something that you're like that was That could have been like 7 years ago. This one? Or this one? This is the loss and this is the part of This is like so looking back and and learning. Eyes can be about like how we've learned from it. Got it. >> And how we're like looking at it as like that was a really important learning. It wasn't anything I did. It wasn't anything they did. It was what I came here My soul came here to learn. Soul contract. Soul Soul contract. >> Yeah. Okay. What else about relationship? >> >> Oh, it's so funny. Okay. Fear. The fear card is back. >> well this is the It's funny cuz it feels like that's part of what you It's acknowledging now you know what you can speak about or what you can say or even sharing from the past to help support. And it's interesting because That card's back. >> Yeah. I think it's around This is This is another common theme. I can't remember if I've talked about this on the podcast, but our relationship with our mothers or a lot for a lot of people that's coming up as It's actually interesting cuz today on the fiery the start of the new year there was this whole idea of like we're kind of all being reborn. Like Like raw and fresh and like in this year it's sort of like we're being reborn and then it's interesting that the mother comes up for you as sort of like how are you learning through your relationship with her. Um Mhm. how you want to be in relationship and the stuff that kind of like pushes up against that and like where you're learning there. That definitely tracks. >> subtle and it shows you already know. That's the good news. This is already here where I'm like, oh, you've already kind of been in it, but it's just you're like she's sort of your example of where you're Yeah. evolve like spiraling upward. >> right. Wow. And it's interesting cuz this is like, okay. So this feels like Hold on. But hold on because I'm also reading See, this is where I get and this is why I feel like I was feeling some of my stuff cuz I think when I look at this, I'm like for you it's starting to open yourself. Even though this is showing the relationship card upside down, it's almost like feels like I'm meant to like poke at you to be like, are you going to admit that you're ready? >> >> And not because it means it's happening right now, but more like that this feels like with your career I'm like you're like blowing out of the water. And with your relationship this is like you can help her just open a little bit. Does that make sense? >> Yeah, cuz I think that part of my life without getting in too deep, like I had for a while had built like this fortress up as we all do. And I think the last couple of years I've like slowly let my guard down and like started attracting better people and people who could meet me where I I was at, but I still think at times there's still some of that lingering fear, you know, that that kind of peeks its head out every now and then. But But I am ready. I You know, I've grown so much. I'm so proud of the choices I've made and I am ready, but it's always nice to see it in the cards. >> you I'm giving you just a little bit. Yeah. And Yeah. Yeah, because you Okay, this is good cuz I was like I was like, this is where she's been, right? And this is like you're ready to pour yourself. Like this card when it shows up in relationship is like you're ready to fully give to another. So I just want to acknowledge that. And it's funny cuz all of this is like this isn't again me It's like a very subtle. The walls make sense because what I felt even what I was sharing before, there's sort of this like um it's the idea of just like being open to when the wall like crumbles, right? And it's right there. And this is like you're ready to give it all. Okay, good good good. Um Okay, and now we have And now I'm supposed to ask you about New York. You just got the message that So um So that's so funny because that New York East Coast shows up all the time for me. I don't know yet. I don't know what that is. >> ask the cards to see if I'm getting anything. I have an idea. There's There's one Nothing that I know of now that I'm going to New York for, but I'm telling you for years it's popped up very strong. >> New York Yeah. Yeah. What can I tell her about New York? Do I need to tell her anything else about New York? When is this going to make sense? Wow. >> >> It's the same cards. It's great. >> Yeah, but I think But when I look at this, it's like this is two 10s. There's like a This is like a massive shift for you. And I do feel it's like it's like New York whether it's We're going to leave it open Uh-huh. >> because of that. Okay. But to me that's either like that is where your life feels like it like turns completely up and down. Do you know what I mean? Like it's like either there's a project there that you're like that changed my life. Mhm. Um or it could be that you're there is somehow tied in with relationship, but I I feel because of this coming up in the timeline when we were looking at the cards and I said next year it feels pretty Okay. >> Um And this feels like it's like um don't try to manage it. You know, like Yeah, which you are. The fact that you're like it keeps coming up. Yeah. Cool. >> big part of your path. Okay. And you're ready Like when I look at this, I'm like, oh, you're ready. You're ready for that. Cool. Um Can I just do one more thing? >> You can I'll be here all night. You will have to get rid of me. >> Sometimes I like to like not Sometimes I like to just like be in secret. I'm just going to ask something. A secret question? >> Yeah, cuz I just want to keep your Oh, it's not going to do it for me. I was like So what I did is I was like, I'm going to just ask timing on the relationship and to like push it. And this This is the like >> >> expect the unexpected. Like And so when when this shows up, the time frame like it's like the spirits be like She doesn't get to know anything. And this is like But remember I said this was part of This showed up as like you just don't be afraid to like speak your mind. You know, it gave us the same message. And this is you knowing what you want like and being really clear with what you want. >> And then expect But this could also mean in a week or in a year. It's just like you don't get to know. >> that's clever of them because that's my anxiety amps up if I know too much sometimes. And so I want all the answers and want to know, but I think that But you respect that I Yes. It's It's Yeah, sometimes it's more fun to see how the cards will fall. I'm like it By the way, it's my favorite thing when it does that because I'm always like it to me it just means you're so living where you Like that to me is like we've got you. We've got you. Like spirits got you. You're being guided into it and you don't like Exactly to your point, you're like, I don't want to have anxiety. I don't want to like Like we're just going to keep pushing you forward to where you need to be and where things will head. >> >> Um I love it. And you just your only job is like Don't live in fear. Yeah, well, not even Don't live in fear cuz that It was just the position of what your deepest fears. It actually is not even Like to me that card being harder is actually like cuz it's just showing your fear and it's almost like would I not speak up? And so that's why I'm like, well, just make sure you speak up. And then it's all good. There's no fear. There's actually no I don't think you have fear. It's just like just make sure she like speak up. know, or she says what's in her, you know. Um Okay. Mhm. What else? What else? Should we look at the little side project thing? >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay, should we just call it side project? Yeah. Okay. What do we What can What does Lucy need to know about side project? What do we need to know? >> >> Lucy can't know anything. >> But also But also, when I turned this, I was like Wait, let me just see this little one that's It's funny because I just pulled one more that was coming out, and that was the same thing that came up at the beginning that I was like don't stress. Let me just think of how else Or maybe we they just really don't want to These cards literally are like Um But this card is like lean into what feels uncomfortable. Like that card is like don't be afraid to go there. Or like, you know, if you're like >> >> I don't really know exactly how I'm going to do this, and it feels a little overwhelming. Then I'm like, oh, be in that. Like be in that, but you don't need to push it, and then let And again, with the High Priestess, and you can tell me if this makes sense, but it is like being in this unknown that you're like, I don't even need to know where it's going to be in 3 months. I just know I need to follow this instinct. >> Yeah. And is that kind of where you feel with it? >> Yeah. Um I >> Yeah, I'm just following the curiosity, and I've already met some people you know, the right people have shown up, and without me having it mapped out. Cuz what is that quote? The way appear The way You don't I'm going to butcher this. But it's basically like the path doesn't appear The path only appears because you're taking steps forward. And so that's kind of what my mindset is with this. I just think relationship for you is sneaking into all these things. But when I ask it directly, the cards That's why I was telling you I'm kind of poking at you because it's what the cards do to me. Look, if I Or especially when I was early on in relationship, I would just be like, I would show my fear, or like the thing. Um The music is like diamond veins. Like diamond veins. You know, like it's like It's like make sure she's like Yeah. Make sure you plant those seeds for her, you know. >> Got it. Um >> To just enjoy. Yeah. Mhm. Also, then when you were saying the way there's a song called The Way Knows, and now that's like in my head. That's why I looked down at the music. Um But yeah, this is like let the You haven't been This goes back to the beginning. All your cards are the same, and keep letting the unexpected. And this is like things dropping. If you look, it's like things just dropping out of it. This is unexpected money, or like or gifts that you're just like, how did that even happen to me? You know? And so when we're looking at this, and it's like, tell her like She doesn't need to know anything. And this is like You've already And these two cards were what you already were doing at the beginning. It said, you've already been doing it. You've already like Remember, you don't need to focus on the bigger picture, and then just let us bring you gifts. Okay. All right. >> Which is such a cool I love that. >> But also, sorry, we're not getting like I'm like, oh, maybe it's not It's all very magical for you. Not surprising. >> Yeah. I'm like, be in the magic. Okay. When you read people, do you find that you get repeating cards often? >> Yeah, but certain people It's a special breed. When you get them like this, to me, it's like you know, it would be like a medium would say like, oh, I'm just hearing from the same You know, like they just keep telling me this. And to me, this is how the cards work, where they're just like, we know what to And And my translation, and this is why I kind of keep weaving in and out, because when they keep showing up, I want to make sure I'm giving you every nuance I can possibly get, because I am just translating from Do you know it's like your guides talking to my guides, and then me like trying to read it. But when it is so powerful like this, and it just is like, you clearly are have guidance. I definitely communicate with my guides, and I definitely know some of my angels are people who passed away in my family, but I'm trying Not that it necessarily matters who it is, but I guess I just want more guidance on who exactly it is. Do you ever get answers? I feel like you're saying this because I don't know if you've noticed, but I keep itching my nose. >> Yeah. I mean, no, I didn't, but I'm >> Okay. Well, I've been like trying not to, and as soon as you brought it up again, it started It's like doing it like like And that's never happened to me on my nose. Usually But I get different signals on my body. I mean, like now that I said it, I'm like But that's usually a signal for me when there's someone here. And I just wasn't saying it cuz I was like cuz I don't always know, but we could try and ask the cards. Like I mean, I Definitely I There's so much on my dad's side from people who have passed away. Like I feel a lot of the females on my dad's side. Like my grandmother, his grandmother my great great grandmother. Um but I'm just curious to see what comes through, because I feel like if I know exactly who it is, then I can help deepen that communication. >> Yeah, let's see. But let's see. Let's ask. Okay, can I can I tell her anything about who's here? Um my silver lining? My first date kit? I'd have to look at the lyrics to see if Okay. This is No, these two dogs This card is those who have passed. Those are two dogs that passed while we were making the deck. And so we made this card about those who have passed. >> Wow, that's the first card. Okay. >> it's showing us they're here. That's the that's the recognition. In a beautiful way, too, because >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> >> No way. No way. >> Which I Wow. >> >> Wow. Oh, first of all, when I look at that, you are tapping in deep. I just want to say that's not showing me who it is yet. This is an acknowledgement of how deep you're connecting, cuz this is like your gifts, and this is your growth. Mhm. And so I feel it where I'm like, how you're able to connect there. Did you Did that mean anything else when you looked at it? I just it felt so positive, and not that the other cards didn't, but I definitely felt in some of the other cards like there was a little bit of heaviness, but I think maybe that was from like the past cards, but this just feels so exactly how I view my team. That's what I called it, my team. Um team Lucy. Uh yeah. It just felt very uplifting. For sure. Um And I like that they were I know that them being reversed isn't bad, but I like them being right side up. Makes feels better. And by the way, I love that it basically is saying you are Like the cards are telling me your connection. The first message is like Their message is like, you are so connected to us. Like almost like you don't need her. Aw. You're connected. >> Yeah. And I like that it's the sun and the moon. But I really And the fact that this kept coming out for you, too, feels like this reminder of like, you sense them in the moments when this magic lands for you. Like it's like they're there that you can feel it. >> I know. Yeah. Definitely my grandmother, who was my dad's mom. She passed away the year I moved to LA. And it's really interesting because without going too deep, like I had like a decade of my life that was pretty I was struggling personally, and it's almost like not that she passed away to watch over me, but it's like she passed away before things got really dark and scary, and it's like I definitely felt her during some of the darker moments in my life. >> Wow. >> And And I've even had people I've talked to within the couple of mediums, and who have said like, she helped save you. Like she has been there with you. But then my dad's So my great grandmother, and then my great great grandmother, I also sense Like one time I was in a meditation, and I heard a name. But I heard the name Doris. And it's They said it three times. Doris, Doris, Doris. And then I also heard the name Frank. And so I knew my granddad had passed away, and his name is Donald Frank Caperton. So I was like, okay, maybe Frank is my granddad, but I had never heard the name Doris in my life. And I was so tired, I like put it in my phone It's a I'm telling you, you're tired, too. Like Yeah. Because my brain could just shut off, so I was clear. And so a couple of days later I go, "Mom, do we have anyone named Doris in our family? Do you know who that is?" And it was my dad's grandmother who he was very, very close to. And get this, she struggled with a lot of things I struggled with in my past. And it was almost like I for sure know she's definitely Doris, definitely my grandma Karen. Her name was Karen. Um and then but I also feel like a strong male presence as well. So Yeah. >> You're not alone with that feeling. Well, it could be my granddad, my mom's dad. Um I also had a friend pass away, but it could also be, you know, people in my bloodline that I don't know. that I don't even know. >> Yeah. Um I mean, that's really cool about Doris. Oh, it was so cool. I know. And I I actually have a picture of Doris up in my house now, like in my hallway, and stuff for my grandmother because I feel like it's my way of saying like I acknowledge that you're with me and and I do do things to communicate with them. Like I I fully was a skeptic about all that, like creating a language with your guides and angels, but I see it work in real time and quickly, too. And I think you just have to be so open-minded and just believe that they'll find a way to rearrange things to give you the sign that you're looking for. Like um I started seeing 444 everywhere when I was was having like a particularly challenging year. >> >> What was happening? >> I Long story short, I I'm 4 and 1/2 years sober now, but I was just struggling personally, just like not in a good place, just dark mindset and and I'm starting to feel >> that. I'm sorry cuz you're just such a bright light. So >> So, yeah, a lot of I'm I'm in a much better place now, but I I think I'm only in this place now because of where I've been and the things I felt and things I've been through. I mean, I think I've always had an optimistic attitude, but but I definitely I'm only I only have this type of character because of, you know, the things I've been through. But I'm also like I have that Scorpio moon, so the darker part of me is very hidden, you know, because I you know, try to I forgot you said you're Scorpio moon and that's why I was feeling with those cards. That's why the relationship stuff is coming through. Oh, because yeah. I blame the Scorpio moon. >> >> Cuz I'm a Scorpio I can say that. I blame the Scorpio moon. >> well, apparently the moon is in detriment in Scorpio. And it's a 0° Scorpio moon that I have. So it means it's So I've started I don't I I know a little about astrology, but I'm I'm starting to learn about degree theory and 0° I believe is a Scorpio degree in general, but also 0° of anything is like potent. Like potentially my I believe in multiple lives and so potentially the first lifetime I've ever had to deal with Scorpio moon energy, so it feels intense. Totally. And daunting, but >> But you came here to learn it, but it's also >> I should just embrace it because and I'm learning to embrace it because those deep feelings and that intensity and that passion, like when harnessed in the right way is like such a gift. It's just learning to not be afraid of it and speaking your mind. >> you were saying all that, I was like, oh my gosh. That's why you can My body starts to writhe. That's why you can connect with your ancestors cuz Scorpio is going into what Yeah. But that is why you can deeply connect there because you're not afraid of it. You're like there's there's like there's a beauty in the dark. Like it's the void, it's the magic. Like that's the most powerful. Like just going back to this, I'm like that is also so freaking powerful. Like don't forget that like it's like the trickiness of it, but it's also like, whoa, you can go deeper than deep, deep, deep. Yeah. Which is probably why I was like, I'm going to go deeper. Yeah. And why I gave you that stellium is because I feel like it's going to support Do I sleep with it by my bed? Break on through to the other side. COME ON, BY THE DOORS. LET'S GO. That's That's funny. If they'll give a time frame. >> Okay. Well, the song just switched to Walk on the Wild Side. >> >> Oh. >> Sorry, that's pretty good. That could be You're taking it in a few different ways. Okay, let's see what my cards say. What? Where should she be putting her energy? Oh. Oh my >> >> Follow your passion. Also, this is like Also, I have to tell you there is something here around This is funny cuz those two cards have not come out this whole time, right? And this is around It's interesting cuz this would have >> >> to me it just feels like notice if there's anyone influencing you who is cuz this isn't about you. It's almost showing me don't let um Don't let yourself get caught. Yeah. Yeah. In the influence of others. Like it feels like friends, like a friend or friends >> Mhm. who and it's not dark at all, right? But it is very much like you know what the passion is. You know where you want to follow and if it feels like someone's not And none of it doesn't it's not it would be more just because by example. I don't think it's someone trying to talk you out of it. Like got it. It just feels by example. >> Okay, got it. And sort of noticing, yeah, I mean, walk on the wild side with like your heart. I mean, the knight of cups, it's so good. Showed up six times. I love it. I mean, this is your card. I kept thinking this is because we're having everyone have a card. Like this is the best. It's so good. This is your card. >> so nice. That's actually based on my partner. >> Really? Oh, what's up with that? Capricorn. >> I love it. He's a Capricorn? >> Yep. Yep. >> Yeah. Um Wow. Okay, and I want to have you pull one last one cuz I just like to do this for fun. Oh, pretty. Oracle. We're going to send you away with an oracle because the Zen master did say this is a great day to consult the oracle. This is true. Okay. Today and tomorrow. Trust. Well there you have it. >> There we go. Wow. >> Trust the adventure. I love that. Wow. Thank you so much for coming. This is fun. So incredible. I love the music channeling touch. >> you a playlist. That's Oh, and your last song is This Is How We Do by Katy Perry. >> This Is How We Do. Thank you so much for tuning in to Cards on the Table. 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