I'm Leia Chernikov and this is Harper's Bizaars's The Goodbye, where we invite celebrities, designers, models, and taste makers to talk shop. What they buy, where they got it, and why it matters. Our next guest on the Goodbye is on one of the buzziest shows in prestige television. as Yasmin on industry. She is one of the most compulsively watchable and anxietyinducing characters on screen and was awarded with a BAFTA last May for her work. You may also recognize her from Back to Black where she inhabited the singular Amy Winehouse or my latest favorite, Black Bag, where she held her own alongside Kate Blanchett, Michael Fbender, and Naomi Harris. She is back on screens for season four of Industry and she's also a new bride. >> I am a new bride. Yeah. I'm also in all white. >> Yeah. Playing the role. >> I realized that when I put it on. >> So, I'm so excited to talk to you today about navigating newish fame and fashion. How you use style to tell your stories on screen and off. So, welcome to the goodbye Marica Abella. Thank you so much. Thank you everybody. >> So, usually I have a co-host, Lynette Nlander, our executive digital director, but she's not here. Usually, we talk about our recent goodbyes. So, >> I wanted to know, do you have any that have uh made your life easier or that you're really happy about in the last few weeks? Maybe anything for the holidays that you got. Well, I took my honeymoon over Christmas and New Year this year. So, my best buy was like those flight tickets, I guess, and like the hotels. >> Yeah. >> Um, it feels like a lot to kind of invest in a trip because like unlike things that you buy and keep, >> you buy and then like all you have to keep is the memories, experiences, right? But >> you sort of But it's a honeymoon and you only get to do it once. touch wood. So, um, so we yeah, we we had a really really nice time and with I'm filming at the moment and so is my partner. So, we knew that Christmas and New Year was the only time >> that was your window. >> That was our window. So, >> can you tell us where you went? Did you have a great time? >> We had a great time. I mean, it was kind of wild. We start He had a premiere in LA >> and I have this in New York. So, we knew that we wanted something in like the Americas. >> We didn't want to go too far away. So we we met in Vegas because we were going to we went to Amangiri for >> Oh, in Utah. >> In Utah. So we had to fly into either Vegas or Arizona. >> You weren't staying in Vegas. >> We stayed for a night. I was like, I'm not flying into Vegas. I'm flying straight out. Like this is My parents got married in Vegas. Really? >> Yeah. So I was like, we've got to We stayed at the Bellagio. We lost the money. >> Amazing. >> It was really fun. >> Amang Giri was incredible. >> Yeah. Uh, incredible. And then we flew to Mexico. We went to Mexico City for >> five days and then we went to uh like the Pacific coast for five days. >> Nobody has said a trip before. And I think that's really important. And also, we're all told now that um you know like millennials and young people are investing in experiences rather than >> things. But I still like things too. I just got some little um sheerling boots because I'm really hoping for more snow. So maybe with my clothing I'll will it >> and you can slip into them. I really I can't handle laces anymore. >> Yeah, I'm I'm a big UGG girl. >> Do you have a sort of style philosophy or about shopping? Um anything that you follow as you get dressed for the day or think about a red carpet, >> your personal style? I think for a red carpet, I think it's it's become more like it needs to reflect my personal style. I think when I was younger, I felt more like >> I'll I'll wear whatever I'm allowed to wear. >> Yeah. >> And um also I'll wear whatever like feels exciting and different. >> And I think now if I wouldn't buy it, why the hell am I wearing it on the red carpet? I think that's kind of become a bit more of >> and I think that's kind of more true in my everyday life too. Just really following my gut like >> do I feel good in this? Do I like this? And then and that's what I'm >> sort of buying more now. I I always lean towards tailoring and um I feel really good in like wellmade pieces that like >> give me uh kind of support and structure and >> I I I'll always lean more towards that than like a sort of slinky number. >> Yeah. >> Um but I think it's about Yeah. feeling com for me it's about feeling confident. Yeah. Uh, and it's more about, and this is probably sacrilegious to say, >> "Oh, I can't wait." >> But it's more about like me, how I feel and my body than the clothes themselves. Like >> it can be like the most simple white t-shirt, the most simple black blazer. >> But if for whatever reason it like is hitting me perfectly, like that's the thing that I love about it. >> Yeah. No, I don't think that's sacrilegious at all. I think that's how clothes should make you feel, right? like your best version and you like you don't have to think about it. >> Yeah. >> I'm interested in this trajectory of like >> starting out as an actor and feeling like >> okay, who's going to lend me whatever? I should just be grateful and wear it to your journey of like no, I want to feel good in it. I want to wear what I like. So, how did >> how did you come to that? And what are those pieces that you gravitate towards? How did you find your personal style? I think I've always known that like I I love structure. Even when I look back at my school photos, I mean, I had to wear uniforms at school uh in the UK like most of us do. >> And there were kind of choices like did you want to wear like a blazer or did you want to wear a shirt with a tie or did you want to wear this round neck jumper like in all the pictures I'm in like a blazer and a skirt and my like socks pulled up. And I think that's just sort of who I am. I love blazers. I love shirts. I love tailoring. And I think there are certain parts of my body as well that I >> like more than others, I guess. And I Yeah, I I've become more used to like >> it's not random now when I look at photos from carpet and I'm like, "Oh, I know why there are things that I, you know." So, I think I've just sort of >> I understand the formula a little bit better. When you look back at those photos, are there some where you're like, "Yes, really got it right there. Love looking at that one, not that one." >> Yes. Yeah, there are. I mean, there are lot lots of looks that I look back on and feel like I really feel like I felt like me. I look like me. I feel comfortable. And it's interesting like you always know you're leaving the house and you always know like this isn't right. >> I know. And then you have to live with it all day. I hate that feeling. I think it's I think it's it's it's interesting. Like it's worse for some reason on the red carpet than it is as a character. Like I have almost no vanity when I'm working. Like as an actor, I feel like the most important thing is that I look and sound and and feel like a character and you believe what you're seeing. >> When it comes to kind of like beauty, >> obviously it's always great to look good, but it's there's just not the point. And I don't I'm not worried about that at all while I'm working. >> It's the red carpet is so much more exposing than a show even when the show or film can be like, you know, more physically >> as you have been on your show. But no, I know what you mean. I think that's a really good point that hasn't really been articulated on this show so far that it it can be almost harder to be on a Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, I wanted to just find out a little bit about you as a fashion person and as a shopper. >> Yeah. >> Do you go by season? Do you see something and flag it? Do you have hearted things on the Real Real and Netaporte and >> um do you look at the runway? Tell us how it all works. >> I am a big Netaporter person. >> Okay. >> I have a a a big wish list, but it sort of it kind of it's more like a game, I think, in a way. I I love just going through and hearting things. You're hearting and watching >> and watching and then and then I'll unheart things and and it'll But I do buy when it feels right. And I love I like shopping in real life too, but I um I think I've started more recently to like invest in pieces that I really love. >> Okay. >> Recently I bought um a jumper from the row which felt like crazy at the time. >> Sure. And then I bought it and I wear it all the time and I feel amazing in it and I love it so much and it really is gorgeous and >> just you know things like that. So it's Yeah. I I'm I I feel good right now. >> Yeah. You're like allowing yourself >> I'm allowing myself to go there. But I love clothes and more than anything I love I love dressing up. Well, this sort of like winds us to one of our we go through these buys on the goodbye. And the first one we always love to talk about is the first buy that was something you bought that made you feel like you'd made it or that was really impactful to you. And I wonder if it was it it could be something that you bought for yourself in when you were little or it could be something that was after maybe your f like Cobra, right? So tell us about the thing that made you feel like, okay, I'm here. >> Made it. Oh gosh, I have a story and it's a bad one, unfortunately. >> We love stories. >> My when I booked industry, we were doing we had the read through for for season one of industry and I was like, I have nothing to wear and I'm playing Yasmin. And the the description for Yasmin was vulnerability disguised by Prada. And I thought like I love that. Yeah. I thought like oh my god I have nothing that is gonna >> I'm not gonna walk in this room and people are gonna think like that's Yasmin. I need to go shopping. And you know also I was excited. I was making money for the first time. >> Yeah. >> I went to I don't know if I should name the store cuz I feel like I'm it's a bad story but I mean I I love it's Louis Vuitton. I love Louis Vuitton. But I went in and I was like, I need some shoes. And I was like, it can't be heels because that would be ridiculous for a read through. Like, it should be something chilled. It should be trainers. I'm not a trainer girl anyway. Like, I never wear trainers outside of the gym. Really? >> I'm loving this journey. >> Okay. >> And they were these like huge LV trainers, like massive hype beasty like trainers. I mean, so not my thing at all, but I was like, >> this was a panic purchase. >> It was a panic purchase. It's like, they scream like luxury. Right. Right. >> I'm going to get them. >> It was my first big purchase. Like my, you know, I've never spent that much money before. And I was like, I've made it. I'm going to buy these shoes. I still get made fun of by the >> by the cast for wearing them on the read >> and the writers and everyone. And they're like, you walked in and we all were like, "What the hell is she doing on her feet?" >> Do you still have them? >> I still have them. And Mickey, one of the writers of industry, is like, "You should box them like a pair of Jordans, like signed by Michael Jordan that like uh so they're like they're iconic." Yeah. in like plexiglass plexiglass case. >> But it was a really good lesson in that like if you're going to buy something >> especially like that, buy it for you to feel good, not for someone else to signal like I belong here cuz nine times out of 10 you're going to look like a clown, you know? >> I think I mean we've all been there with panic purchasing. But I but I did want to ask too about I love that really short but like says a lot description of your character at the beginning and I'm sure you had conversations about how her style evolved as her story evolved. So >> can you talk me through that a little bit? How did you feel like her style helped you convey uh your character and how has that evolved as her arc has kind of really shifted? It's shifted so much. It's kind of amazing. In season one, I think the point was first of all, like she came from a lot of privilege, so she was wearing like nicer designer clothes. Um, but also she was she used her body as as something that was, you know, that was currency for her. So, she presented in like an ultra feminine, like quite hypersexual way. >> I mean, and like sensual too, but sexual. I mean I the heels were like so high with straps around the ankles. Like it was quite kind of over. Um >> how how how high were we talking? >> Oh, like a good sort of six to seven in. Yeah, it was it was I mean and I was all for it. It was great. Um but I think and like quite sheer tops, super tight skirts. >> Yeah. >> And I think it was you know she was presenting herself like for the male gays in a big way. Uh, and I think that that was sort of Yasmin in season 1. It was so useful physically. I was going to ask around the It must have been helpful cuz it does force you at a pitch and >> for sure >> up and Yeah. >> you're you're sort of constrained in you're like hoisted up in every way and you're Yeah. You're sort of you're you're on the verge of sort of falling over time. Super vulnerable. These tiny little sort of scurrying steps. >> Yeah. You can't take a stride. >> No. So, it's it's it's really informative physically and and and I think that that's the great thing about clothing and character. Yeah. >> I mean, you cannot play a sort of like boss like powerful woman who's like taking up space in a skirt that doesn't allow you to like >> move that fast or hard, you know? >> Right. And so um and then in season two she was experimenting with trouser suits, pants suits, taking up a bit more space. But I think the major shift came when she lost her money and her access to her dad's money and she was selling her clothes and selling her jewelry. So she wasn't as feminine. She was high covering up a bit more. This last season 4 has been like the most interesting I think for me. She is sort of cosplaying the lady of the manor at the beginning of this season. Uh super Aristo British energy and you know there are things that are so exclusive that it's like if you know you know but like hardly anyone knows about this like certain tweed of this certain jacket, >> right? >> And um so she's playing all of those games. It's so much about language like exclusivity, >> right? You know, the term quiet luxury has been thrown around a lot, but that's sort of hinges on that idea, but this is a real sort of class and it it's taken to another level, right? >> Yeah. I mean, even stuff like Wellies, Wellington boots in the UK, like there are specific brands. Yasmin only wears derries which are like the most I would say ra which means like upper upper class Aristo type wellies that you can find but like even just things like there's a a coat that Yasmin's wearing that's from a brand you know there are all these sort of stores on um in kind of sort of Piccadilly near the arcades right by the mouth like they're basically where like the queen gets her coat And it's all made to measure. >> Yeah, it's all Yeah. made to measure and custom and and it's just >> it's just super exclusive and and unless you know to even look for it, you wouldn't know what you're looking at. So, >> I mean, Yasmin has dabbled in like quiet luxury and the sort of Seline sense of the word and is that's but this is just like a whole new level of like >> this is wealth. Yeah. And right like you said, aristocracy. >> Aristocracy. Yeah. Yeah. I just have to ask a little bit about fashion and back to black and how that helped you. I know you really changed your body a lot too, but I wanted to ask how fashion kind of helped you become Amy. >> Yeah, I mean her body and her fashion changes so much over the 10 years that I played her. you know, I played her from 17 to 27 >> and um at the beginning she's like full of life and healthy and wearing very different clothes, inspired by a very different era. you know, she was inspired by like hiphop and Lauren Hill and you can sort of feel that in the clothes and she's taking up more space and there is more of her body sort of like out there on show and >> flat shoes as well so it's easier to kind of like run around and be a bit more playful and >> be grounded. Um, and then it all sort of switches and she becomes around sort of, you know, 23, she becomes kind of inspired by um, girl groups and sort of 60s do what type look with the beehive obviously, >> right? >> Um, and my body physically changed. I got smaller, the clothes got smaller. um the everything becomes more sort of like tight to the body and you're just taking up much less space again and I think >> you feel so much more vulnerable a like a such a smaller size but also >> so exposed physically in the clothes that you're wearing that walking around the streets and kind of teetering around in that place is is just a very different thing to wearing sort of those black reeboks that she used to wear where you know she's safer in them, >> right? She's like literally on her feet. >> On her feet. Yeah. Than in these like either she would kind of fluctuate between like Louis Vuitton like very high Louis Vuitton or those ballet pumps >> and neither are particularly, you know, comfortable. So >> Right. Yeah. >> Your last answer kind of touched on this, but I'm wondering if there's We always ask one of the buys questions is what is your regret buy? I don't think you regret the Vuitton. I think at the time I was like your journey. >> Yeah. At the time I was like I want to go back and make sure this never happened. But now I I love them. It's part of my journey. >> Yeah. >> A some regret buys. I mean, you know, I think I regret always like running in and buying something from somewhere where like I had no plan that day of buying something. I just like walked into, you know, not a particularly great store. Yeah. High street. And I was like, "Oh, it's hot outside right now. I'm going to buy this little tank." Right. And I think I mean it's it's fine, but the stuff in my wardrobe that I'm always like gh those like horrible little dresses or those little tops that like >> I never really needed. And I you know it it is about like learning your lesson I think from from doing that because I mean I I have been guilty of like especially when I'm at work and let's say I am filming in the morning and then I have the whole afternoon off and I'm in some new city and I don't know anyone. I'm just walking around. I'm like oh that's kind of cute. I'll get that. And then I never you know. >> The next buy that I'm going to ask you about is a repeat buy. >> Mhm. Is there something you buy in multiples or you use up and buy again? >> I mean, white t-shirts is like the probably the most thing that I buy. >> Do you have a favorite? >> I love a cos white t-shirt. I think a cos white t-shirt is really great. >> True. >> Um, >> and then the other thing that I buy all the time is just socks. >> Okay, >> my sock game is kind of out of control. Let's talk about your out of control sock game. I'm ready. >> Um, I mean, I love a cashmere sock. I love a really comfortable sock because I think I especially at the moment wearing a lot of gym socks which I go through and I usually just sort of like get those from like Unilo or something like that. And I think the thing about obviously like a really nice Kashmir sock or like any kind of nice thick sock is the washing is so difficult. like that it's important to have like enough pairs so that if you have to send them off to the dry cleaners they you know they have time. >> That's I think part of the nice thing about luxury too is like you have to work for it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They're made beautifully and they're in a beautiful material so you can't just like throw them in the dryer like anything else. >> Exactly. >> You told me you have a lot of hearted things in your netapporte. Is there a dream buy right now for you? Something you're thinking about? And it could be it could be like a piece of clothing, but this could be really big. I'm sort of interested in also, you know, what your home looks like. Do you think about home stuff? >> I do. I love home stuff. I mean, I I I love buying art. Mh. >> Um, and it was kind of the first thing that I started to really like invest in when I started making, you know, I I didn't grow up with any money really and and my family didn't really talk about >> or I didn't know about the stock market. So like investing and stuff, I always really scared me and like saying goodbye to money and like it felt like gambling. I >> And then you end up on this show, >> right? Yeah. I know. I know. Exactly. I didn't understand it at all. So for me, art made sense. I was going to buy it. It would be on my wall, so it was something that I had, but it would go up in value and like that was something that I really that made sense to me. So >> I started buying art and I just love it. Like I I I I really do. And I love photography and we moved house recently and I bought a um a sofa from and that's you know, couches are couches. >> That's a big investment purchase. I know. I' I've always been um like renting places that came furnished. This is my first place that was unfernished and I was like, "Okay, >> I'm going to buy a nice sofa that I love." >> And I bought a sofa from Jonathan Adler. Yeah. >> And I love it. >> Is it a color? Can you tell us about it? >> Green velvet. >> Beautiful. >> Quite a dark green velvet, which is scary velvet. At first I was like, "Don't scratch it. Don't touch." It's pretty durable though. It It really is. is and also it gets cooler like if thing if it it moves around and you just can't really be too afraid of it but it has these like circular gold legs so it's quite low to the ground. >> I really love it. My big heart wish list. It is a lot of like furniture and stuff right now. It's funny when you go from that transition to thinking about clothes and like, oh, buying them on sale and not wanting to spend too much and then you >> get older and you have a place that you want to put furniture and you're like, oh, >> this is this is expensive. >> This is Yeah. No. No. Exactly. And then it's a whole different your mind out when you're thinking about clothes. I think it's really bad for shopping with clothes. You start being like, it's nothing. >> It's nothing compared to this couch I want. I mean, obviously I just got married last year, so like that's like the worst time to be spending money on clothes because you start to think like >> your your concept of what you're spending money on just changes because you're you're spending money like you haven't done before. >> No, it's a different it's a different thing. >> Yeah, it's a different plane. Wait, so can we talk about it a little cuz the dress was >> so beautiful. Were you someone who always had an idea of what you wanted to look like as a bride or how did how did all the looks come together? I think I didn't always have an idea of what I wanted to look like, but once I started to think about marriage, >> I did have an idea of what I >> okay >> wanted the dress to be like, I don't think I knew I it was going to be like quite as big as it ended up being. But the amazing thing about this dress, I think, and maybe I'm wrong, but with I never felt like it was too big and I never wanted a huge >> skirt. Skirt, massive, but it just kind of when I tried it on and it was, you know, it was incredibly >> Let's tell everyone this is Amelia Wixstead, right? >> Wixed dress. Yeah. It was Duchess satin, >> right? It's like cream color, >> sort of off-white. Yeah. And it was um across my shoulder with a little sleeve >> with a little sleeve. It was one of the things that me and Amelia were like going back and forth on cuz I wanted a little sleeve and I think she was like it will be really modern if it's just like nothing. >> I think on your wedding day if you feel like it's going to make you feel better >> you go for it. Like I'm not going to don't want to be thinking on the day of like oh wait or whatever you know. So I I mean she came up with so many sketches and I sort of fell in love with this drop waist and there was a picture of Audrey Hburn and Funny Face that I just fell in love with. >> Um and we kind of went off of that sort of >> style and >> I mean I just I love it so much and I I I've never felt so great. Um, and you know, the diamond necklace and the hairline was like, it's like my favorite thing. >> It was so cool. >> There's something slightly whimsical about it. And I uh my dress was like incredibly romantic, but it was very structured. There was a corset and like it was it it I really wanted to feel romantic on the day as well. >> Uh, and that just felt kind of sort of magical to me. And um we went to somewhere called Bentley and Skinner in London, which is like an antique jeweler. >> And they showed us all of these tiaras and I I I didn't want to wear a tiara. >> Okay. >> And it just didn't feel right for me, you know. And then they brought out these necklaces and I showed the picture and it was just this amazing sort of tennis necklace >> and I put it in my hair and we attached it with just some bobby pins. I mean, thank God it was okay cuz it was a re, you know. >> No, it looks like it was made to be around your head. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, it's amazing. >> Very cool. >> Yeah. >> One thing I did forget to ask you at the beginning was we talked about your wedding white outfit, but can you tell us what you're wearing head to toe? >> I am wearing an Alisandre Rich shirt >> and Accari trousers. I love this brand. Um, >> they're great. Yeah, like these sort of uh >> a little bit barrel >> barrel leg trousers. Uh they're really great and Alisandra Rich shoes. I mean I love I love monochromatic looks. I'm I I think it's other than like denim and white and black and denim and what I I just monochromatic to me is like the coolest thing and so I love it. So chic. Yeah. It just makes you feel so pulled together. But I think you're doing something which I always feel like is important when you're doing monochromatic is like there's lots of different >> texture for sure different texture and different shades. I mean I'm not >> I it's doesn't have to be like the perfect shade of everything I think to go and and that I think texture is important and also you know I I just I love that like they're like actually also very different brands. This is a kind of much more sort of durable thick like almost it feels like a kind of men's wear type trouser and it's like a very sort of >> very feminine >> feminine shirt. Um, yeah. I mean, it's to me press day looks are really tricky as well because it's like it's kind of like my equivalent, I guess, of like business meetings. I always sort of think, but like >> um I guess it's sort of like what would I wear if I was, you know, walking into a room for the It's a first impression, you know? >> Yeah, totally. >> And it's um it's kind of like how what do you what are you trying to say is always the thing. >> Yeah. This was such a treat. Thank you so much. >> Thank you so much. >> Thanks for having me. >> And this was Harper's Bizaars. The goodbye. Goodbye. >> Goodbye. Thank you. >> Thank you.