hi everyone this is Michael Saunders of the Michael Sanders go-sees show my lovely go see on the day is Amanda Mondale Mondale from Ford models yes now is that an English scots-irish Norwegian Norwegian Mondale mm-hmm that's so funny how far back does that go I think my great-great something moved to the u.s. in 1840 Wow what part East come Minnesota Minnesota where they go which is where they go yeah there's a lot of skinny so you're not blonde no I was you were growing up oh right and it came in like my daughter Tallulah is blond so and now she's she's going dark like do you wanna yeah that's cool so you don't talk necessarily like a Minnesotan I it's in there it comes out oh yeah sure oh there you go that's so cool so you were born in Minnesota at what term what's that what town were you born in Minneapolis Prince's term mm-hmm that's wicked were you aware of his presence absolutely like and when you grow up there it's like Prince Prince Prince Prince visitors concert do you do you know where pasty Punk's she goes it's in Chanhassen so you know where it is yeah yeah I haven't been there but um I guess over the Super Bowl and everything it's been like that's great people visiting Wow okay so who are your parents what do they do what's their names um my mom her name is Pam mm-hmm she has her own jewelry line that she's just sort of cool starting up in Miami um so she lives in Miami now she's in the winter her and her boy okay that's I honestly don't really know what my dad does yeah he wears a suit and everything he does yeah did he always go out in the mornings on a nine-to-five job kind of mesas yeah we're like to another country for like two weeks sir oh right so quite mysterious in that sense yeah I know he just got any job and we're not very close I don't really okay so tell me about your siblings before we get into the family dynamics do you have any brothers middle I have an older brother who works in politics he works for Amy cloves I was a senator Wow Minnesota and my sister just graduated from Missoula she is an artist and she's really talented but she's just starting so did you suffer from the middle child syndrome and what does that define it for us um you get picked on by whom the others oh right thank God they go up on yeah yeah they would beat me up or they beat you my sister would steal my clothes and my dad my brother would steal whatever I had in my piggy bank or right so it's a tough spot yeah but now we're all now we're all like adults so where you get on now yeah so you're saying it was quite a fractious warring family early on I think it was pretty normal mm-hmm to be like that right you know nothing else yeah I mean my sister and I hated each other into like two years ago oh my god you see that's what always worried me about having a second child is that I would hear from so many people who said so you have one I have one the princess well maybe if you had another one had to be a boy and it would well it didn't so it was between the two girls you were competitive she just like she'd steal all my clothes and pretty much everything and give it to her friends and as the maybe was she favored by your parents because she was the youngest yeah I think so in some ways we all kind of had our own things going on and she was like she was in theater so she was like oh oh and I was pretty quiet does that has that reversed at all given though you know she's still an extra still craving attention not craving attention she just gets it she's just like a free yeah spirit so what is she going to do in her line um well she's gonna be an artist she just made her first like big sale I wanted like a custom piece is she jealous of your success no she thinks she knows how hard I worked and are you doing what she would quite like to do oh god no no no she has no desire is she proud of what you're doing hates Instagram she doesn't like read magazines and stuff she's like she's proud of what I'm doing and she knows I've been doing it for a long time and I think she compares my success to hers but she's just she's just making her first piece I mean exactly she's she's just like wow like I want to work hard like that right so how are you how are you as a child just define your personality was I was very quiet what science star sign are you I'm Pisces you want okay yeah so dreamy yeah quiet gonna go with the flow you went with the flow mm-hmm in the last couple years I've been like learning how to stand up for myself right speak my mind because they're notoriously wishy-washy right they go with other people fit in a lot don't they I mean I don't know if I really fit in very much but I mean I was always really quiet and did you do sudden stuff that's cool yes I grow sake right wicked that is not so aggressive it is I mean the girls can't like I can't check and stuff but it happens and um did you get my aggression out you did um yeah I did so what ages were you on the ice I started when I was maybe four cuz in Minnesota you just as soon as you walk over you're all just like get nice uh-huh so I started then cuz my brother played okay and then you go to watch him play is that how oh yes okay I mean but it's just like Minnesota has a state of all right so okay everyone at least tries it at some point as a family you would go and support your you would go to they would go to game yeah my grandparents write every game even when we were wow this big that's amazing but then I was gave given the opportunity to model okay so how to tell me about that story how did that start it's kind of random I liked it that always random so my uncle at the time was dating a woman who used to be a model and she had some photographer friends and they wanted to take pictures of me and my friends in her hockey gear for some art thing right and for an art project like something Minneapolis we were like blowing bubbles and and then we took some pretty pictures at the end and my mom sent them to like everyone on the planet and one of her friends was dating Carson from queer I oh wow do you remember him and I did he was the blonde yeah what's the sort of star of the show was you know yeah and I think he used to be a casting director for Ralph Lauren or something like that so he sent my pictures hang on how old were you when all this time I was 14 okay so they like um I met with an agency out here and I brought my friends just thinking it'd be a fun trip and okay so you were 14 and before that had you had any idea about modeling the business fashion um were you I'd been approached like as you had that's what I was gonna say cuz you were obviously pretty as a child did you consider yourself as such you were kid you like the way you look I was very painfully shy low mom and I remember we were in Paris and someone came up to me my mom and then we got back to Minnesota she was like do you want to do this and I mmm no way I wanna play hockey cuz there was a girl in my class who started modeling and okay we were like maybe seven or eight and she just thought she was so cool everyone was they didn't let her yeah yeah they were jealous I normally want to have that flat but it just kind of kept coming back around and that's it you want to decide me and then I did the Abercrombie kids hang on when you say they click models was that a local agency that was here that was okay so it was who you knew friends of friends connections pictures sent how did you feel about it at that time I just thought are these people crazy I can't believe I'm doing this you didn't see yourself in that light I just thought like a lot of people you know when your mom's like you're such a good you're the best I don't know it just sort of happened and then so you hadn't had feedback from your peers from boys you know this is sort of teenage years we are mom no girl you were boys like I was like riding my razor scooter around the neighborhood like you know and just whatever that's why I love going home to hang out with I'm still friends with all those people and they don't think of me I was like oh your model or anything and it's just okay so you were excited at least by listening prospects I was really excited and shocked what was the first job Abercrombie kids that was your first job yeah so I would I mean Abercrombie was like that's so American yeah I mean you look like that and you had all that agree on you have made talkie for God's sakes yeah you were the real thing yeah I had no idea what I was getting into what was do you remember I I just was really nervous he was observing it wasn't Bruce Weber it was Bruce white was flipping Bruce I had no idea who he was which thank God or I would have really nervous but I mean like Jennifer Lawrence was there she would get another models what she really I didn't know she was a model yeah she I mean we were the youngest ones there so we kind of like how old was she so you were 14 I was 14 maybe she was 15 or 16 and she was telling me she was doing acting classes not at that time yeah and I was wicked did she have charisma absolutely like I just I remember everyone wanted to like hang out with her and she's just like not nervous at all and I was like oh my god I need to be more like write that because you come across I must say is very confident well that's why I say I've come a long way I mean you know he's sick I'm 26 okay so you've had some life between now and then absolutely so you will have you were shy yeah I still can be more in like a social setting there's a lot of people yes yes right work I don't know it's like this other person no professional shame yeah okay so the Abercrombie how was Bruce was he shooting film do you remember it was I remember it was so weird because we were all on the beach and they brought us wet bikes in Key West and they brought us bikes and footballs and all this stuff and all of a sudden everyone started laughing really hard and like pushing each other around but I didn't see anyone filming us and then I looked like in the distance and bru survivors like in a bush no and I just was like I don't know I don't know what they were laughing at Bruce in the bush no they weren't laughing they were modeling like all of a sudden everyone started moment and everyone knew he was there but I didn't and I was just like what is going on everyone's acting so weird so weird so no one was giving you Direction not at that moment but I mean yeah there were times where they definitely were Bush did he came out yeah did he have everyone individually - did he have a bad dad on his head he did when it was a blue bandanna all red do you remember I couldn't tell you what I'm sure I have picture somewhere my dad was there like your dad was then yeah cuz I'm you know you were so young so you were chaperoned from how for how long during the trip well just generally did your parents come along with you I think it's different now legally I think kids have to have their parent around more that's right ironically Bruce has been part of this whole change in the industry yeah you okay you were a girl I was okay I think he just didn't have any awareness for how young I was um so I I did cry you cannot on set at what point did you cry and why did you write I had to like not kiss a guy but I hadn't like lay on top of him and he was much older than me and I hadn't made out with a boy before you were a virgin at this point apps like I was like a baby lamb yeah to the slaughter yeah and that was a real baptism of fire being on a Bruce Weber set yeah but I didn't tell my dad I didn't I mean I I don't know I I'm not bashing him I just think he didn't know how young we all were okay so your dad was literally there watching what was going on I told my dad can you go away or embarrassing cousin wouldn't wouldn't have been different if he had been there I think so would the embarrassment have been worth the saving you from the feelings that grown up yes but I didn't want to tell my dad that that happened because he would have said that ceremony yeah yeah so I mean wow so you know a lot of things that have happened over the years and I I never wanted to tell my parents because I didn't want to Wow he sent home so do you think you would luxaire something where you're vulnerable because I speak to molds all the time and it's very rare that they say that they've had an encounter that they felt uncomfortable and you're you're saying that there were a number I mean I've always lied about that I don't know if some girls really haven't but I mean right so what I think that how it can have a negative effect on your career if you start speaking out about things and okay now do you put this down to the fact that you were so young starting out and therefore vulnerable and unprotected I think it's the older I get the less it happens so you think it's about that assertiveness and confidence yeah it's like well now I would just leave I'm saying no I'm not taking my top off or whatever right so so it was usually those kinds of things that would happen you were being put into situations where you were exposing yourself yeah well not I never did that but just like we're making an appropriate jokes onset just things like all right yeah like I don't really yeah I want to go home like at all I'd be like oh you have to be done no and you probably cry sometimes so the first the first weber thing you survived it did the picture come out no no so you went through all that for nothing no but I I at the same time I thought I had fun on that trip and I did meet some fun people and it was a pretty extravagant job yes of course absolutely but to go so many cute boys so dick hi baby excuse me sorry there must be is there another girl it was okay let us resume slowly so we were talking about you your start so the Bruce Weber Abercrombie & Fitch was the first one your debut didn't wear any pictures today any pictures you never never saw anything I said you liked with the guy you were hanging out with and being physical with did you finally heard about it did you think he was cute hmm he just was so much older than me right I used maybe 24 right right okay gosh but he was sympathetic at me yeah he felt weird you felt awkward and weird too hmm so if it feels weird it probably is I mean a lot of things feel weird when they're like first you know when you have to make right when you have to model you're saying modeling in itself in and of itself is quite a weird thing today where I'm from it's it's weird to like pick I look so good yes that's right heck me out with all my fancy stuff absolutely yes definitely I've been told many times like you have to get over that when I was younger mm-hmm so no modesty yet well I don't know you just have to find your confidence and put it out in a way that's real and I was having a hard time doing that for a long time but I feel myself so from becoming a model as a teenager how did that affect your social life your school life were you doing both at the same time you were modeling on weekends I would come out here in the summers and then if I got a job I would come out here um so I didn't really talk about it mm-hmm at school or anything like that people didn't know people knew um were you treated differently as a result like I remember coming into the lunchroom one day like in the cafeteria all the tables and all the girls they all had their 17 magazines out I know 17 was like really big when I was in high school I was always did you're a regular I was a regular so when I saw these girls with the Seventeen magazine and they all looked at me I was like oh god it must have come out in the drop him out and then like I remember a girl that I'd known since I was maybe four or five I thought we were good friends she was like you look really different how long did it take them to look like that how much Photoshop do they use so they were being mean girls yeah I mean my real true friends I'm still friends with now um but I think yeah I had to not talk about it and develop a thick skin because once it was out it wasn't a question of that what are you talking about it or not because that would they all knew anyway right yeah everyone knew but I was still playing hockey and like kind of a tomboy I am I didn't really hang around with those girls that were mean to me so right I mean did being a model give you any kind of social cachet with boys and stuff with boys if the boys liked you before did they really really like you more now because you have the status of being the kind of boy that I would like is that right mm-hmm I don't know tell me about that who are the kind of boys that you like tell us about your love life so I was dating a British guy for a long time you were and he was also model and I think that was he great yeah he's a great guy we see your first love maybe like real one lion Buffalo um how old are you then I mean we just wrote up uh-huh oh I met him when I was 21 so so your teenage life was not spent I always had a boyfriend you always had yeah so that's why I'm trying to like you always has it wasn't that you were celibate and abstinent foods actually for your teenage years yeah it's quite the opposite you always had a boyfriend yeah most I mean yeah and so I got okay boy with the hockey players in high school yeah wicked greener of course is that the equivalent of the of the American All American cheerleader with with the leaders you with the star because you were I mean it was more of an even playing field right because you were playing hockey as well I guess yeah I I just met them and is that the title that you like now because I don't even know anymore that guys like the guys that approached me knowing I'm a model I just don't like the approach like they think they can buy you or you're gonna be impressed by hmm they're whatever they bring I I wish someone would just maybe not like something so it's important for you that kind of thing that you're not just judged for the way you know yeah and I want to date someone just to like further my career or mmm Ryan Ryan i right okay so you had a long-term boyfriend and even that has just only recently come to an end it's been a few months he was a model you obviously meet guys on the job I guess on the ice or an ascent well we're you guys asked him out it's the only place you're gonna meet guys anyway I guess is it an occupational hazard for a girl who likes guys and is and has boyfriends a lot that you're in this industry where there are so many attractive men I'm kind of over it like you did a model thing how many male models have you been out with give me the one just one okay yeah I didn't like them before and why don't you like them just subscribe okay I'm not bashing all male models not ghosts but I haven't really worked with a lot of but the ones I have worked with I just there's just nothing you could like they're really attractive but I'm like so that lucky another area you think just it's weird for a guy to be like oh when I see them posing and stuff I'm just a little bit it's a bit weird to be offering for a man to be an object of desire and a person so like oh can you put some more concealer here it's a vanity I'm not a jack men right yeah of course not as far away as metrosexuality as it's possible no no you don't I just know what I don't want is like a pretty polished is that what your English boyfriend was no no no I mean he just very well but he wasn't um he wasn't like you know hmm so do you know what you're looking for an hour you don't know you're I'm just on my own I want to like set myself up for the future and I don't know just right reconnect with friends so tell me what the when you became full-time because there was this thing yeah there was this period where you were teenager where you'd do it on the weekends in the summers what was the next step I think the day after high school graduation okay so you weren't gonna go to clench I know you were waiting for that time I went to like a college prep school so I filled out applications I did the essays but I didn't I didn't say you know I just say descendant I always hated school you did yeah it was we didn't have many favorite subjects I like taking French and art you wanna in sports and stuff yeah I just well then I started modeling and I was too muscular I mean of course like a lot of the hockey players and volleyball players it isn't it's just a bit much yeah run em and it takes up a lot of your schedule I mean it's every and then on the weekend so when I did get a job I couldn't and like should I go to my game where should I go to New York I don't know cuz my whole team will be mad at me if I don't write you was so I just quit like I just so what age did you quit I was 15 okay right about to get my my dad said if I quit I couldn't get a car but then I quit and he still he needed so were your parents together through your teenage years because they're not together anymore no they're not anymore do they do work yes like I think right after high school okay which is good that's for the best okay good yeah that's good and they both with the perspective mm-hmm different partners who they're better with better matches and happy about the all-around I think everyone's happier your mom remarried she got a boyfriend she's not remarried but she's got a pretty good boyfriend yeah not so cool so um what's your favorite part of the whole process and when did you really kind of own being a model when was it from the beginning do you really think well this is for me I can actually make a living out of this a career out of this um I mean I started like being able to really live on my own a few years ago but I would say I didn't really own it till a couple months ago really are you joking I mean I on the outside but on the inside I you know when people come up and like are you a model and I'd be like no I work at I don't know Barnes Noble I don't model pay you jerk I don't know I just didn't like the conversation after mm-hm or anything and now when someone asked me I'm like yeah I am a model mmm right so it was just a public the public face I think because my family's in politics mmm there's Mondale the Mondale that's my grandpa yeah Walt upon death yeah there's your grandfather yeah Jesus Christ he's the man my kid yeah that's amazing that is amazing he's going that's political royalty in a sense well and him and my grandma really didn't want me to be a model and I I felt like there were parts of my family that you know put it down what's that yes was there a burden Oh was there a burden with the name was the marina Marino's like I didn't met the Association it's I thought immediately when you said mondale that's the the immediate Association most people thinks it's moong dal a that's so funny Italian I like I think you must a chapter in your history book that's crazy but no I just think that they wanted me to be an academic in that path and it never the mission yeah I mean I'd like to be an activist in some way but I don't want to go to law school and you know right okay hmm so they've come round well has it been a process of I think now that they see that I'm making real money and and traveling and enjoying it yes I think they are like wow kind of impressed and Seventeen magazine wasn't doing it for them back at when you only know things I mean I know they would share to their Friday but they never like they've always been like okay but are you gonna like where you guys come and beat yes Wednesday I know right I just tried it so I of course I can that's so good that's great so does that give you sort of social EADS and cachet or is that always at the end of the day a personal thing to model or no I'm just saying socially it connected with a famous family name does that open doors do you think it hasn't not for me okay for my brother who wants to be a politician oh my goodness yes cooing he's like I wish my mom was a supermodel or something before but no if anything I think it kind of hurts a little bit I don't know I think people then are like yo being P ChaCha yes let's not have her CLE eventually it just kind of is a little bit of right right message I don't know I mean no one ever knows you're like right right so let me look at your book okay let's see what you see you're lucky yes so it's a pretty cut down pared down and braised mutton and I must say there are digital's and it's mmm very of the time it's very modern isn't it it's very of the time I guess so I mean because these are kind of cool oh yeah vintage tees I love a good vintage tee but you're a bit more polished in a sense sometimes what you are now right now you're not this girl i I I would say you are because of the all-american kind of thing yeah I love a t-shirt you know jeans and t-shirts so it it kind of all makes sense I won't California for five years have you so yeah you lived in LA yes and you weren't there wasn't a feeling that you should be an actor oh no oh yeah I am is that what you were the hable din it you were there to dabble well I I tried with a private coach a few times and then how was that how was this shy it was hard for me go gonna do it I mean I kept saying oh your voice is it got a great voice you go girl and then I got a script that was to play a model in the 70s noise and I thought that'd be perfect I like killed that one but then did you do it I got other ones and I had really hard time did you do the seventies model role no I mean I just did a self tape my first time you didn't trying but I got I got myself to cry okay so that you used that as a as an exercise yeah I mean it's like the Meisner you didn't send the bleeding tape mm-hmm no they said I wasn't ready who's they he was my acting agent or life and then they kept sending me did you feel you were know are any things yeah I I was just too nervous I went in on one hmm and it was a woman and I had to pretend she was like my lover I was like everything in its own time yeah that's right now put back on the back burner and to be revisited later absolutely I think I part of me has always wanted to do it I think you would have telling you'd have made a fortune with all of those teen teen shows maybe it's too late for the teen shows I don't think it's to you tonight for the teen I always think never in that twenties those those Tina that's true like High School Musical they were all like that's Ryan and all the vampire ones oh yeah well those team one by one had a teenager exactly and nothing about it nothing about it is appropriate yeah I mean I'd like to try it if like they were sending the auditions for like rape scenes oh yes I wasn't there yet what we're sending so you are gonna be go raped number three and I kept saying I don't wanna I don't think let me let me do some acting classes they don't yeah I don't want to be bikini girl number five right so um okay so I like was when I moved here so I was away another sort of learning curve for you because of because of the town it's a it's an industry town different market that's for sure I love I lived in Santa Monica this I love the beach I like the lifestyle you were there with your boyfriend yeah was he working there too a little bit but he was mostly here okay yeah yeah direct bookings and stuff and um I miss it but it's miss it like more opportunities yeah yeah I'm sure I'll wind up back in California so how did you go from clicked afford and are there any here they were more in between yeah well my was good yeah it's been a long how do you do you tell me about how having lawyers and your families oh yeah that's true to get out of the contract I mean yeah okay so what do you define as a good agent and when do you believe that you need to leave that agency at what point um well I don't even think the agency name matters I think if you find the right people which I finally have I think that's all that matters the Booker who believes in you mm-hmm are the team of people and the agency if they have the right connections and they really respect you as a human right I mean and they don't want to just like you know get what they can and then throw you out it's like let's really work on what's gonna make your career last and and maybe what you can turn it into I don't know okay okay you can see opportunities for you and how you're gonna get them but if people um I mean I have been told many times just things that would make you want to quit and I'm like no I believe in myself if my Booker doesn't believe in me and doesn't think I have a future then why should I have my life and my career in the hands of that person of course and that's a breach of contract so this is a technical time I have did you how long did it take for you to realize any that was happening in other words along too long okay so so you persevered in in sub adequate situations career yes I mean in LA one of my Booker's this is when I said I'm gone he's like if anything was gonna happen it would have happened by now uh yeah that I yelled one or like girls like you are difficult girls that look like you are difficult right okay I don't I'm just calling to see my schedule you know right so did these sound like they're really quite hard knocks and what gave you the fortitude to persevere through all of that adversity it's like do or die you know I mean I'm I'm I'm committed to being model this is yeah actually it's not the hockey player I guess personally competitive I have to win this game and we went down and our backs against the wall but we have to somehow overcome and triumph I guess yeah I just I'm a lot tougher than I look I know you would you'd call yourself tough yes yeah you have a tough girl mm-hmm yeah hockey player tough yeah I mean I've been there a lot of situations that maybe other people would say okay this is it I guess wow that's amazing but finally found Ford here okay so how did that happen so as I switch to vision in LA which is looking a little boutique agency he's a quite a big one of them it's very small mmm but I I freaking love them mmm they treat me so well I mean they check in and just things that I didn't have before so what do you look for in a book in that human relationship between you and your professional partner just understanding you know what's going on at the shoot what I like okay I'm calling because you know this happened with my family blah blah blah someone who's gonna understand that and respect you instead of saying well she's we kind of glitz right okay so you're looking for some care just um just mutual respect and you know they believe in you right so have you had Booker's who might be really quite good at their job but because don't care about me at all yeah yeah and that big agencies they can't it's how can they make sure every single girl is looked after yes absolutely yeah so I mean so what do you bring to the table okay let's discuss that American girl at a job why should i book you over another model buddy what are your strengths what are you bringing to the table well first of all I'm not a diva mm at work I'm not gonna complain about anything unless like I might die or something yes um kind of death but everything else I think I'm a nice person to be around yeah um it's a good energy good energy um I've I think I'm good at moving something it's taking me a long time to feel comfortable with that um so you can get a good picture quickly cuz that's really at the end of the day I think is what defines a good model is that they can come in they can understand very quickly angles of the lights I don't even think it might be as technical as that it's literally just someone who's able to embody give life to the clothes yeah make them look great and take a good picture I think I can do that I mean and what's your favorite part of the process of the day my love when I first sit down in the makeup chair nice not while my furnace do this but sometimes they give you a little little preparation rubdown they're like oh my god they should do that under fers - I know it's so unfair sorry yeah but you're the talent you need to be ya coddled unloved I like seeing the clothes before they come out mm-hmm and yeah the whole preparation yeah and I love I love when you get the shot and you see it and it looks awesome abettor than you thought it was yeah did you know that's a confirmation of that yes and traveling and the travel okay that's great yeah so okay let's get I want to get to Ford how do we get there um Walt Ford back track was the first agency I ever met with Ed when I was 14 Wow in Chicago that's why they passed I did not want to sign me so tryouts acog child that's a long time you you want that I mean it's good the lately different people work so but it's still the agency so Ford was that important to you to sign with Ford yes is that something in a name brand I didn't even care what agency I just wanted to find the people your name yeah find your people so my Booker's in LA were like okay you love death coming to town yeah cuz I kept saying what about New York go to go to New York what about that cuz you wanted to go back I just wanted to go to the next level mm-hmm and they were like okay well this guy is coming in a month you have to meet him and then it was like oh he's gonna be here and then I was like okay he's you have to come in tomorrow and I had already been passed up on by a couple agencies so I know his ones yeah I was like okay yeah we'll see and he just like swooped me up was like I love you excuse me wait today and he kind of saved me in a way the quark do you know Clark no but that's a wicked man yeah right there I love him and I love this quote now on the board yeah okay shoutout to Kwok man yeah do we need to turn this it's a little bit dark isn't it I have no idea for continuity sake wills we're gonna keep I'll do it in the post okay so quite saved your career I don't know if he saved it but he um respond made me feel like everything I wanted to do and was working for it was a valid dream that I had he restored faith mm-hmm yeah that's great so how excited were you when you got here oh oh right on the spot oh you had you're coming today or we took a picture together and then I got here and I've so he took a picture of you we took a picture together okay he was yeah and he's just um right off the bat I could tell he was like a spiritual oh yeah guy just caring and that's so nice his thing is just caring about the girls that's great congratulations I've got to say yeah after that long man but that gift that makes you were a veteran you've got you learnt a few things yeah you like I used to get really down about when people would um you know mmm talk about you like you're not there thank you Matt on set and now I'm just like okay let's get the picture that's so good you think you've got a thick skin now yeah they're just talking about yep like this don't know nothing about yeah unless it is unless they're like I hate your phasers right because there are people who are actually mean as well absolutely and who will be judgmental I think as you get older people stop behaving that way in front of you you would thank you mostly so is this Jenny where does this Jenny go oh that's before that let me talk about the end of the journey or the Tran what is your what do you want what do you want what is your number one fashion dream what would it look like and be very specific job do I wonder what job job photographer magazine hair makeup client campaign brand I mean if the warning think most girls want to do eggs are a secret you want to do victoriously I would love to that is very very high on most girls absolutely so you want to be a Victoria's Secret Angel absolutely okay just not my life that's number one I mean really I I see myself I'd like to do more beauty yeah now you obviously haven't have you had a beauty face because he started off with a seventeen Beauty thing uh-huh is that do you think that's where you're there's a wheelhouse of Murphy I mean lately I've been doing a lot of media ads and stuff and that's what well like a contract do you know I mean I want to be you know like the face of I don't want to say someone's name wrong but there's side anyway Emily didn't do do not yeah find that I kind said either you said a lot of good career yeah with an unpronounceable name it yeah it doesn't matter I do does not tell whatever I look up to her like her Instagram she seems really normal and humble and I like the jobs that she does and yeah and she's successful in yeah she's making the cash is that so that's important to you is it I mean it's just something I want I guess I just want to be able to I don't know travel all the time and maybe do more high-end jobs okay give me an X on like I'd love to do like a YSL beauty not anything like that like it's level kind of thing work that's so good so you're just along with for the journey I'd like to do more editorial okay yeah but do not consider this up in an editorial model I definitely feel like I my body's different than the girls that I your sexy shapely I just have boobs really yeah and I use a secret isn't that so yeah there's a bit of boob going on that yeah it is but I wish there were more in editorials not more blue yeah that's so skinny yeah I mean I I feel like the skinny really skinny right now smaller you think it's particularly skinny home in this area I think it's a lot of younger girls what about the past size models though I think that's great yes in contrast readers more different diversity yes different looking people and I think even in Victoria's Secret there are they're adopting yes a very diverse yes lighten up it's so the same body type though is it really I think always the same I see but maybe technically done yes but yes it's still a sort of like I'd I'd love to see them have a plus-size or multiple plus-size models and some of my Ashley Graham hasn't worked for them yet I don't think so right that it's looking like it could happen at some point it's not unimaginable I think want to see that too yeah and your body is let's face it for most of the male population preferable maybe I guess so yeah your average hockey playing man in Minnesota he would choose you over a skinny wire cell girl every day of playing no doubt about it there's no known about it so I think yes I think what you see now perhaps is an impediment or a weakness is actually going to be a strength because I do believe that those kinds of the swimsuit saying see what's the other one there's there's Victoria Secret and then there's the Sports Illustrated yeah now those Sports Illustrated girls are that's what I'd probably be the most conservative one on set just some of the week's always swings okay well there you go well that is your one that is the real impediment there it's a it's a mental impediment I believe so because I think as long as you remain ambivalent about it mm-hmm why should you get it you have to freaking believe I believe I can tighten things difference between Victoria's Secret Angels parading down the runway with their boobs and bums and Sports Illustrated in my mind it's exactly not one no totally it's a kind of glamour girl RV who the but that it's a bit more like I feel like Victoria's Secret is like for women like women are buying it but Sports Illustrated on like whoa it's for the boys like yeah that's great there's money and man no those guys are moving like famous I'm just no but I want you to I want you to own wanting to do it like yeah because at the moment you're saying oh I don't really want to do it you're saying I don't really want to do those poses I don't really want to be that and as long as you're saying you're not gonna really want it be it mmm it's not gonna happen you gotta you gotta be one of those guys who come in owning it one it's mine yeah for the taking so I think you're right I really do believe because those girls are sort of that very obvious yeah when they walk into a room mm-hmm I photograph girls like Rosie huntington-whiteley and Stella Maxwell and those girls are they are sexy yeah they just are yeah it's obvious yeah and they like it yeah and they're enjoying it and there's no sort of there's not this unapologetic so hmm you freaking got to be it yeah so to do it the ballerinas can't play hockey no I just I could definitely do it and I can see myself doing it but they're probably like the whole like bending over with like you're just there's just like a one line that I'd be like okay we don't need to see what everything is underneath but it's so funny how we live today in such an exposed pornographic maybe that's part of it but it is it pornographic when when the the woman is owning it herself some of my M errata what's her name Emily read about Sookie she's got another and pronounceable man but if you feel beautiful doing it and embarrass you what the about dying of it but you don't know I would I'm just saying I'm not gonna show my whole you're not gonna show your breasts mmm just covering you're not gonna be at this model no I think that isn't Sports Illustrated that there's topless nurses that I don't even know that's just the line for me but maybe that's gone away anyway because I believe like in America I don't think I think it's the needle has going the other way with me too and all the rest of it but again looking at Instagram you would never believe that Instagram I mean there's Instagram models there's not amazing time for that yes those Instagram models that's real I mean in it's hard Instagram is hard it is hard with that you do you're not showing your boobs enough no no it's what do you see is that I know do you want lotsa for most of my followers are women take pictures of yourself in bras and panties in front of a window and you'll have hundreds of thousands yeah I could set my damn time I never you're not adding it I'm not but I just I don't I'm I struggle using my phone I'm like my mom I you're a bit technophobic i it's not naturally it's not I sometimes I asked my friend can you take a picture and then like my friend is the same way and it's like bad lighting and they're good and I'm like okay let's discuss another natural fix that you do you think that you have to do whatever is required to overcome that yes in order to succeed in the current climate where those things are the norm I need to get over it and just start posting all the time and take your clothes on yes I agree but when you're in this I mean in California would have been the place yeah you did have been there right right and I was resisting Instagram you're resisting there's a resistance that's the thing you've got to get that ha you really have to in that respect of you got to be a real Piscean in that one yes and give it well on I've had clients like photographers she told me we're gonna book you for the campaign because you don't have enough followers it's as simple as that isn't that oh that's hot just like wake up I guess that's a wake up I can't just start doing it's almost time start by stop I mean because it's an obvious when you buy them because of the lack of 20 likes right right that makes sense 20,000 that makes sense you lot more likely to get people genuine followers coming along though if you've got your magical 10 and above that that would seem normal that would seem that the minimum don't you think sometimes when someone doesn't have a lot of followers I don't want to follow them because they'll notice you're following them it's like why not add one more they'll never notice it's so funny apparently in fashion branding and marketing they're targeting much more than ten thousand to a hundred thousand micro influences they're called because when you have ten to a hundred thousand its micro its micro yeah my influences okay so their followers are real and their followers a bit more passionate okay then someone who's so famous that it doesn't matter it's everybody and therefore it's not a specialist you know so they specifically specific yeah style so you've got some more work to do and that's a good thing you're not you're not coasting there's nothing to coast for there's still all to play for in this yet in this game it's not a lot of work to do yeah I'm working on my book when I try like the spring down book thank you I mean we kind of had to LA is so different how long have you been with forward now then is this a honeymoon period with quark yeah we're still on the honeymoon that's good I think I got here in September so okay fantastic alright so two things what is your philosophy of life what do you what is all this about what is living about for you that's a deep question it's a deep question what makes you happy there's another question okay any one time well I think I think like what's the meaning of life the meaning of life to me is kind of well right now I'm still finding myself I think it's important to know thyself yes definitely get to know yourself what you like what you stand for you don't and this life a process of self-discovery absolutely I think it never ends mm-hmm figuring yourself out oh my grandma said yeah that's very wise words yeah and I think that just finding what makes you happy what makes you you and I guess what makes me happy is spending time with real friends and real family and kind of shutting down okay relationships just intimacy no just I put my phone away I know you'd like to be nice I don't need a lot of friends but you want to be presents yeah I'm being present yeah I'm working a lot on that okay so because you're pricey in an Unchained Unchained are you guys you know it stems from the what the little light now about astrology now I'm getting into it more and more is that Pisces is the last sign of the zodiac and therefore the most spiritual that you've gone through all of the rest of zodiac to get there and then at that point you're almost out of the human body you've transcended all of this so you're floating around in the universe a dreamer um I don't know I guess Pisces are very mellow yeah okay do you have any advice if anyone's watching I have somebody watching is this a young model aspiring model about how what they should do think about and how to approach this funny old game of fashion bring your parents bring your parents if you carry 18 if you can and don't be embarrassed to have your parents there yes cuz you were you were tired you send them away mm-hmm yeah I would just listen to your parents don't do something you're uncomfortable with definitely find your people that want to that care about you don't just sign with a big name because it's a big name no you can get lost and have fun yeah be yourself yeah don't don't compare yourself to other girls then you're just gonna go down the shad yeah like don't look too hard at other girls instagrams because sometimes when you're not working and other girls are flying around you start to get ya in your head just really be yourself if you don't know who yourself fun who you are yet work on that and just own it that's great advice absolutely so wise I want you to take that advice yourself oh yeah and it you're great and I really enjoyed talking with you today and thank you so much of yourself I'm gonna do some more more questions coming okay but now Amanda Mandel thank you so much for coming and sharing yourself into them bye bye everybody see you again see