here we go that's you I'll pause it little bit of an musical intro there today a s smile oh that's so cute so Penny you are a northern lass I am yes not northern northern but I'm Northwest um from chesher mhm so um I guess that's it's it's kind of near Liverpool it's kind of near Manchester it's it's kind of in the middle of a lot of place yeah in the country country and what kind of town was it is it a is it a farm town is it a m town it's kind of basically I mean there's a lot of Farmland around chesher anyway so that's um there's dairy farms and cheser cheese cheser cheese and ice cream um but uh yeah it's it's very like very much um it's very much just like country kind of Vibes I mean I used to go to school and uh in a place called Tarpley and um and they like some kids would Rite like ride tractors into school we it was it was like kind of like that wow every day but it did happen that's so wild yeah and were your uh boyfriend's Farmers my boyfriend your early boyfriend no although I did have a date on a tractor once there you go so I guess the tractor was involved yeah it really did work um and what did your mom and dad do um so my dad is um he's a he's a GP he's a doctor oh wow um and my mom she used to be a swimsuit model and also yeah so I kind of that's where you get it from I guess so she always tried to like defer me from it in a way I think she wanted like you know um I don't know she's encouraged me at the same time she didn't enjoy it why would she not want you to do it well no I think she thought oh you know it it's it's not the easiest kind of path I guess it just it's it takes perseverance and things like that you know ection and stuff and then um but she you had her jeans I've got her jeans and her personality I think with there's definitely aspects of it for sure yeah a lot of people do say that I guess and then so was your mother an extrovert yes she's definitely actually apparently when she was younger she wasn't an extrovert though she kind of she came out of her show yeah and then um how did she do that was it the job itself that put that did that to her um or life I think life I think yeah and I I I respect for that as well I think it's cool she sent she got to a stage where she said you know what I don't give her flying hoot and she was like you know and you can and she you can just be yourself and and that's that you know it's it's nice right were you aware of what she did Growing Up um yeah because we had like you know a box of our old photos and I mean they're really cool they're super retro and 70s or ' 80s uh be 70s 7s um amazing yeah and so she had all and she's got these swimsuits she used to do competition so they're really like you know really high cut and like really retro amazing beautiful things and um and she' tell us about it and I used to think oh wow you know I'd love to do something like that um so you had a beautiful mom yes of course still do that's of course and your dad how did he get a swimsuit model well I he had the cash cuz he was a doctor you know what my mom always said my mom doesn't she always makes a point I never fanc you Dad when I met him she he he won me over but my dad always said that she walked through the door and he said I was in love with her kind of thing and where was that do you know where that where they it was in it was in a small Pub in in a town I don't know which exact Pub it was but he he described it as um a very romantic that's nice and did you have siblings growing up yes I've got an older sister and an older brother okay yeah so you're the baby I'm the baby of the family yeah and therefore were you the most spoiled uh and indulged as such I don't think I think it's more my brother the first born no he's the middle child okay the middle child that's that's counterintuitive right the middle child is typically but he's the only boy oh I see I think it was one of them even all the way through my family there's not many boys so I think it was like oh specialty yeah but he he deserves it as well he's he's he's amazing so at what age did you realize that you were pretty I was pretty I mean I don't know that's kind of a a did you consider yourself as such when you looked in the mirror and I when I was a little girl that's a funny question I've never really thought of that I think when I was really little I didn't even think about it I was just like I would go out and play and that was like I it never crossed my mind at all um and then I guess you go through High School you get married like you know I used to be very self-conscious actually um it was more the fact that you know I I guess a lot of teenage girls would go through and and I didn't think I was anything special at all Rel your peers the other girls in the class yeah I mean I was always the tall girl I was like you know the boys you know would I was taller than the boys and you know I'm 51 so I always felt like I was more of like I felt maybe more masculine because I was taller and I'm sporty and um yeah I didn't I think I grew into my confidence actually I think it it did take actually going through at my modeling I guess to feel confident in the way that I look and so were were you popular with the boys they weren't put off by the fact that you a handful a handful basically a lot to deal with as my dad says too much woman a lot of woman for the for the young boys to deal with but you were popular anyway I could imagine because you're such a bubbly personality did you were you always that way I think I was always an ineter I was never part of like I mean I had my best friend Sarah um and um I don't know if she'd be watching now but hopefully if she is I don't know I can't see a thing and you're can you see from there you can't I can't if you are there then say hello yes so Sarah is like my my best friend still is um and yeah we kind of like we kind of just floated around everyone like we we were never you know you have like you weren't the popular girls no and I think we kind of like made a point that we we didn't want to be them either and we didn't want we didn't we didn't really fit into a click it was more like we'd float around and we friends with everyone that's great so and so you had lots of friends and you were popular I guess that's yeah in a way is like that yeah I guess so I mean there was always trouble with I mean jealousy in school and things like that there's always other girls jealous of you I think because we were kind of popular they were jealous of your beauty and your social ease the boy fcing you I don't know about that I mean Sarah yeah but she Sarah's this beautiful like you know it's gorgeous petite you know I was like the tall lanky one right right okay but I mean it was a bit of a laugh I guess right exactly what's not to love there we go that's it so um you mentioned that you were sporty at what age did that start expressing itself I think um I mean what sport are we talking about I started off with running when I was in I moved around a lot so my first High School it was um definitely track and I would do Sprints and long distance um and also net ball I loved it um and then I moved High School and I then got introduced to hockey and I was like what is this I was like I cannot do this and I I couldn't I couldn't get the hang of it um but I got into I just kind of got into it all um and then as I was trying to you know uh make friends in my new High School uh it became like a second a second thing it wasn't important anymore right as it typically that's that that's usually what happens right yeah I guess I guess so yeah it became it wasn't you know it was more about I wanted to make friends and like I wanted to go school um so it became secondary to me and then uh then my family migrated to Australia oh wow yes so um and then and then I why why they wanted I mean we're from a place that's I mean it's rainy a lot of the time the weather is alone yeah is good reason exactly I think that was it and my dad you know he works for the NHS and well he did work for the NHS and I think he just wanted a different lifestyle and work and um so I think we just wanted to just and it's all very it's very much part of who we are I think an adventure as well Adventure how old were you Adventure uh I was um at the time I would have been 18 okay yeah so you were fully formed by then as an English cheser girl well actually this is the thing before that we actually moved again to Norwich okay so we moved to norch for a year that's East yeah East Coast um and I actually moved out officially when I was 16 so I moved to London um now had modeling as a potential career exposed itself to you yeah well basically what happened was I was 13 when I got uh founded um so I got scouted and where were you tell us the the story about I was in Burmingham and I was shopping with my mom it's like a very typic St typical story I don't know who these people are they seem you know they good at their job they are and um so they they got me and um I didn't I didn't start when I was you know when I was I just had you know the agency were there saying we're ready for you wi you want to come to us that was a local agency that was no no that was in in London actually yeah they traveled around I see they came to Birmingham to scout girls um so I was like oh you know should I do it or not and I decided you know what I'm going to finish my high school so I was 16 at the time and I was getting pressured into you know oh you've got to go to university and you've got to go um through college and who pressured you the teachers the School Society I your parents not my parents actually no um and that my I mean this is why I mean they were're very kind of open about this and I think my dad being doctor he was like I think you should just do what you want to do in life he said you know you can always go back to education when you know what you want to do and that's kind of where I was at and I said you know what I'm going to I'm going to do this I've got this opportunity I can move to London to a model house I didn't know anything about it at the time so I thought oh how glamorous and um did was it all exciting did you feel oh I'm beautiful I can do this and I've been I've been chosen to do this not that I've been chosen to do this but I thought I seek adventure and it's it's very much in me to do that I'm if I've got given an opportunity it's very rare that I'll say no right what star sign are you I'm Sagittarius there you go that's it say no more say no more they say uh yeah it's so excting so you're competitive you're goal orientated and you're you're an adventure Seeker you want to know what's over the next Hill and you keep wanting to grow and move forward I yeah and I like to see how far I can push myself in and I think that's why Sports comes into it as well that's right of course why I like to a daily activity and your physical as well you're built to be out in the world being in action I guess so I mean like I mean yeah I guess so I didn't really think it that way but it I do in many different ways I try to push myself and learn in different ways that maybe other people do and um yeah it kind of keeps me it keeps me ticking it keeps my mind going what's going on low battery let's put your back let's plug you in excuse me everyone while I just give power to Penny's phone under here I'm going to plug you back in to the grid uh close there you go again okay so we were at Australia yes Australia is a a country full of physical big people doing thrusting things as well as I mean did you fit into that that lifestyle was it where was it first of all so first of all we moved to a place called cayama um which I absolutely love it's like a Seaside little town underneath Sydney and it's just like it's Heaven you can I used to this is where I used to get into my running so I went around the coast in the morning and there'd be whales and it was just like it was amazing it was just unreal yeah and I think that's where my kind of love began again with my running and then it kind of Bloom from there and and then there was like mindfulness that kind of comes from that and you got spiritual running with the whales you know what I think it is and my dad is very spiritual he kind of influences me in that direction and I and I I thank him for that cuz it's it's it's great amazing gift yeah it is it really helps and especially when you you know you're down it's it's a great way to kind of see life and um and really appreciate things around you I think it's great um so you you fit into the new Aussie Society well you made that transition fairly easily and what did that bring you I mean it did it open you up and and add to who you are because you're in a different culture in a different country I guess at the time I thought oh you know when you're 18 I think I was like oh I'm already fully grown i' I i' lived in you know in London by myself and I've you know I've already done all this kind of thing and so at the time I didn't think that and you were a model you were a model by then yes yeah yeah yeah okay so let's let's go back to that let's um when after obviously the the agency had reached out you were 13 at what point did you all decide I guess it was a group decision you and your parents decide that you were ready to move to London and become a model and take it the next St you know it wasn't a group decision it was I got I got a phone call from my agency and they said okay so you can move down in 2 days and that you can move down now we've got we've got a space available for you and I was like oh my goodness I was like what do I do this is crazy you know I can't I can't do this I was panicking I was at school I finished just finished scho you just finished your o levels uh or whatever it would have been it would have been gcsc so now yeah it would have been yeah it would have been that and um yeah and so it was kind of crazy and I just thought I'm not I'm not going to let this go I want to I want to see what I can do with this and so I went went there and um I was terrified I got that my mom and sister took me down to London took me to a place in Fulham and it was this model house and it sounds glamorous but it's definitely not there was I mean I was sharing a room with three girls and not that they weren't nice they were lovely but you can imagine you get all sorts of characters in there yes um and it was like it was dirty and it had wraps and slugs and there was one bathroom between 10 girls or 13 girls and it was just it wasn't what I expected and it was a bit of a shock to the system um but you didn't feel torn in other words you didn't feel that higher education going the next step in terms of your schooling and maybe College wasn't wasn't calling you it wasn't in my gut didn't yeah it wasn't it wasn't pulling me towards it and I was I was determined to prove like my I my teachers and everyone um wrong wrong yeah um so yeah it's kind of crazy now I mean it's I've done so much I've traveled so much through that and I'm so happy that I did make that decision because I think it I I for me I wouldn't have been satisfied with doing that but that's just my personality type did you start working immediately so how how were your first jobs how did you get over the initial shock of the model apartment how long did it take you to after coming to London to start working I mean it took a long time I I basically I you hear a lot of models when they start off especially young like I was you know you get into debt with the agency because you're paying for obviously through the account through them what are you paying for exactly you're paying for just the rent and then you're paying for you've obviously got uh yeah you've got to pay for the book and the cards and then you've got travel you've got food um and then maybe a bit of money to socialize and that was like you know you know and I I literally lived on I think it was £10 uh a week and I I had to and I had to borrow 50 I remember I had to borrow 50 from your mom and dad no from the agency oh so your mom and dad weren't going to support you for a a amount of time no they would always they would always do it me I would yeah I'd never go hungry because I would eat baked beans I near had be for lunch today oh my go didn't have time there you go still there's a cold bowl of May upstairs crap later that's so funny um so you have all this pressure and expenditure mhm so you feel oh my God sh I've got to book a job quickly there's a lot PR to get me out of the debt of of this and remember you're in a you're in a house of girls who are feeling exactly the same so it can build this big tension if a girl gets a job and you're like oh it's great for but like why am I not working why you know this that and the other and it becomes a very um magnified I don't know like experience and with your age as well all of you are young yeah so it's difficult and then you've got you know some some girls that are a little bit older so then they they like oh you know come out and like you know experience the night life of London of course she 16 I'm like of course I'm going to go and um it kind of it just opened my eyes and actually it's made me not want to go and um to do all that that it was very apparent to me at a very young age that that wasn't who I was about I went to those place and I felt very out of my comfort zone um and so this day like I I I really you're not a clubber I'm not a clubber I like a dance but just to abber maybe right right in your living room yeah yeah pretty much yeah with my mom that's it okay but at least you at least you exposed to it and you tried it exactly yeah it's funny like um it it really did open my eyes to a lot I mean there's girls from all over the world so it it a lot of cultures at a young age and it's it's a great thing actually it really helped me learn about life and people in general so when did you start working then how how long in your mind was that gap of wishing before you knew for for certain that it was something you could do and people are willing to pay you to do it that would have been I mean I would have I would have booked a job like every so often just getting me by and it was like you know it would start off very slow and it it takes about I'd say to fully get going as a model I'd say takes about a year I mean it's 6 months to start to feel the flow and then it's and I'd say a year though in a place it's if you're going to be grounded there as a base then then that is I'd say the average person so you worked for how many years in London before you had to go to Australia that was two years that was so I'd come back and forth on the weekends I'd go back to Norwich so it' be back and forth and with money in your pocket by then at the end of a year you said it took a year to get going you got cuz I had I had debt with the agency so every time I'd get a job it would be like right I see at that stage you're not making big money you're not it's not so when did you get to be in the black in the black it would have been let me think about this uh maybe when I was probably about 18 I think that's two years yeah two years it took a long time I guess to get out of all that I yeah 18 18 yeah and you went to Australia at 18 then went to Australia I thought okay I'll I'll I'll continue with with this and I didn't take it very seriously in Australia I actually I think at that time I was kind of like I just want to I want to just like have a bit of fun now you know I've been working and I it was kind of bit of a hard Grog in you know in London um and just being my family as well just like fully be with them and it was so nice and it was just a really a lovely a lovely way to to to kind of be with them yeah it was lovely are they still there they are but they're actually I didn't get my Visa this is another whole other story well tell me well uh so we we got there and we'd sold our house and um basically I was hoping to get a Visa through my dad because he's a doctor and it had to I had to be dependent on him um and it was really bad timeing because the basically the the laws had changed as we just got there I was on a working Visa um and then we were said oh the migration officer said it's fine like you know you'll get your visa don't need to I've never seen in 27 years of me working you know um I've never seen them say no to you know the youngest of like of five and um anyway they did and it was just and we tried and tried to reapply and it was because um they said that I wasn't dependent because I've been working since 16 and you're working there already in Australia no I just had an agency to to sponsor me I see um and it really sucked because I thought oh my gosh like now I'm GNA have to figure out what to do here and um I didn't want to obviously I'm not gonna make my family go back like we just this whole you know moved to the other side of the world it huge um so I thought okay well then I I'll make the move and I'll go to I'll go to London and I'll I'll work there again and and um you went back I went back yeah yeah it was kind of it was kind of crazy and then I guess I I brought this up not long ago with my friend but um I didn't think it was a big deal but I kind of did like legal it's basically legal squatting like it's um it's this kind of this kind of underground company that let you squat in in like un building unused building yeah it was an office building and I stayed there for a few months um what was the rent no no rent there was it was £300 uh a month which was amazing it was in chisik and I was like CH I lived in ch yeah it's lovely right very nice and um so I thought this is you might know the building it's a big red building chisik high road is it on chisik high road that's so funny I had a big glass window and I thought thought oh this isn't bad you know and that's great but um I had and again I mean squatting like in that way it was I met a lot of different people and it really opened my eyes actually to different characters again like not in the industry just in different Lifestyles and it was It was kind of it was it was a scary time but it was amazing at the same time yeah when did you manage to make enough money to invest in a place to live a your own or has that still not happened so um well basically after that I moved there and I started to get regular work which was great and um and then I I could I started to rent with my sister moved to London and so I moved in with her and it was kind of like that actually we just um was anything did anything happen for you to start working to get what was the what was it that everything just started to happen I guess you know I don't know the answer to that it's kind of I is it getting known over a period of time and yeah putting yourself out there constantly uh is it you coming into your own in terms of you've done a picture that works and then someone looks at that kind of picture and goes oh you'd be good for that we're going to get on to that in a minute because we could get on to it now actually while I have it in mind and that is what is your Niche okay and from what I've seen from your book I could say that it's it's about the body oh okay cool PNY you are your sick body uh figure is part and parcel of the kind of work you get to do which is both body conscious in terms of lingerie kind of body yeah sexy body Hour Glass body boobs long legs and all that right and also the physical uh athletic body and all of that Sports background that you bring to the table that's the timer half an hour I've got to stop the camera and restart okay no worries no worries one of my favorite places uh ever and they do the most amazing Welsh rabit and and salads and and omelets and cakes are amazing there and they just said hello oh that's nice that's nice of them okay you see that half an hour went very very quickly yeah it did it's crazy okay so I'll give I'll give people an example well first of all this is this was the one I used you saw to publicize this today and I don't know if you can see it but that's a lovely picture of you that was looking uh sensual yes sensual Moody and Moody but you are you this one yeah you H to the body sexy body natural out in the world mhm and this is just ridiculous thank you look at that that is sick it was my one of my first Amani campaign that is a runner's body idealized they they didn't do any did they do any photoshop liquefy on those legs do you know what he really he doesn't he basically he's amazing this photographer he basically he lives for it he's like 65 years old he's he's rolling around the sand and he's like wee wee you know let's get the shot and yeah and he's just amazing lots of body lots of swim right that's your I do I yeah I do love to I guess that's my get your kid off get my kit off there we go so you've always been have you always been so comfortable with that body this is where I think it comes from my mom and um and and seeing you know you know from a young age I used to look at my mom and she'd you know be pictures of her in in beautiful um landre or it was swimwear you know it was natural it was a natural thing it didn't see seem out of the blue to me yeah this is a bit dark but look at this that bodyy that's so funny I can't get over that one that's so amazing do you know what it's funny what does it what I mean I suggest that 99.9% of the people on Earth would find that body like the ideal most desirable I mean what's not to like about that nice compliment I mean do you know what so what does it feel like to have have that that degree of sort of physical Perfection it wasn't always like that so I I really strived for it and I was one of them girls so this is where it goes back to actually in in the model houses i' you know I'd see girls you know I'd hear them in fact I'd hear them throw up I would eat they would be eating terrible diets and they they were getting told by the agency you you need to be smaller you need to be this and there was pressure everywhere and I thought no I'm not going to do that way I'm I'm going to if I'm being told that I need to be a certain shape or you know whatever I'm going to do it in a really healthy way and I want to represent for girls that are actually they want to be strong and healthy and at that time it was it wasn't really um I mean it wasn't a thing it wasn't like you know women can be strong and that kind of thing I feel like it's very much just blooming now actually um with plus SI models with plus models and they're they're even they're they're like strong girls they're not just like you know they're healthy and fit and they're strong and i' I've got so many great plus-sized um even my sister she's a plus size model and she's she's super fit um but she's it it it's one of them things where I really I'm really passionate about having um a body that's not going to be you know tapered in on on on shots and things like that I want it to be completely natural and say okay if you are determined and you you can you can achieve it if you want to um naturally yeah naturally completely and it's just through and you can just achieve your best body that you want to have so what is the regime that allows this body to be so well this is it it's all part of the Penny Plan ridiculous go on what's the plan of action so um I basically I mean I do a lot of variation I would um I I try to I do long distance runs I do um what's the distance the distance I mean it would be like what's your long run I mean my long run is like five kilometers it's nothing it's nothing huge it's nothing to that you can do in a day yeah completely it's it's every everyday things um yeah they everyday routine more or less yeah I'll do probably about four or five workouts I'd say or workouts like classes or things like that a week I'd say Okay um so a five mile run yeah and and I do and then I also like to do um hit training so um I do some things like that and so it's all over kind of training and um and I actually in in London I I miss this so much that I'm uh I used to do um like martial arts with sword fighting and it was amazing I really crazy what was the what was the martial art called it was it was it was kung fu oh you did kung fu yeah so it was basically uh we did like all these sword fighting things and it was just like I got obsessed I was like I've got to meet you every week and it was this trainer called Frank and he's incredible like you know you you wouldn't necessarily think too much to you know when you walk past him you think oh you know he's just a strong guy but my God he can move and um and I just got obsessed with that it was so much much fun and I thought this is cool it's not just like boxing it's it's 360 and there was things where he'd make you you know you have to shut your eyes and you'd have to sense him around the room and so it was a great way to even feel comfortable you know as a as a young woman I guess in um in a dangerous situation I feel like maybe I've got a good reaction now and I could I could look after myself is self-defense part of what you're taught yes definitely it's it was about fighting it was it yeah it's all about fighting I guess but it's and it's all about um you know you can use a weapon or you can kind of translate into just using your own hands like it was like that and it was more about I mean it was just something that I could kind of play with and constantly learning with it and that's why I I loved it and I really I took to it how long did you do it for I think about a year okay year Kung Fu and did that give you a a a foundation to be able to I guess so protect yourself with for the rest of your life I mean I mean would you be useful now in a PR do you know what I do I do think I'm like I don't you know I haven't tried it out in in real life obviously um but I do think I feel confident and I feel like you know maybe I could I could throw a good punch at someone if they tried right you haven't had to obviously goodness yeah I hope we don't have to either um but yeah it's a nice thing as a woman to feel like that as well and I think that's what I like to represent as well is that strong women don't have to be portrayed as a masculine thing it can be sexy it can be beautiful and just be like the like just aim for the best version of yourself I guess it's do you have to eat specially I eat you mentioned that you weren't restricting yourself like lots of models were just starving themselves taking in as little as fewer calories as possible right right what yeah or it would be you know they' overindulge and then it would be you know that and eating disorders yeah I guess so I mean it's you hear of it a lot and it's did you say you heard the sound of throwing up in model apartment I did yes yeah yeah definitely it was so is that part of the routine is there a culture of that in modeling no it's it's very it's not spoken about and girls would never say it openly but you know you know what's happening around you and um and I'd always try and encourage the girls like if I thought I would never I'd never say it to anyone but you know to to try and take a healthy route and my dad helped me a lot in that I suppose being a doctor and I said to him like how can I do this how can I achieve um you know body like this or whatever um um and he really helped me with the nutrition side of things you know it's he said you know you eat lots he said you eat lots and you train lots and you eat lots of healthy things and go organic and and and just and as as I start to unveil that world I kind of just got really delved into it and now I love to cook and I find it fun and it was it was it really helped me kind of progress in that area as well so what about your love life then how how was that through your teenage years to now did you have steady boyfriends all the way through never I never had boyfriends I was you never had boyfriends I had I mean I had like you know there was like the odd boyfriend in the high school but it wasn't anything serious it was never like oh you know boyfriend and girlfriend it was never anything like that it was so when did that happen um it just until actually last year I I met um I met a guy and um and so how old were you I was were we 21 21 there you go yeah and is that just circumstantial that you didn't meet the right guy um are you hit on every single day of your life are you constantly having to you know beat him off with a stick oh no I mean it happens a lot I think in cities it does happen a lot anyway to I've spoken to a lot of girls about this it does happen um and it's it's kind of funny how you have to deal with it but I always think do you know what good on them if they ever try and ask I mean a girl especially if I'm tall and you know and things like this and you can kill with exactly you know I've got to give them you know my hat's off to that it's pretty it's pretty good they got some balls so you appreciate confidence yeah and I think I think I would NE I mean not that I would ever say yeah here's my number but I I don't I'm not rude to anyone I don't think that's it's not part of who I am um but I just say thank you I'm sorry but you know that's it so you weren't fancing people and falling love in love I mean in the course of being a model you're exposed to so many people you're exposed to so many interesting people yeah uh so many Attractive people there what how did you meet your current boyfriend and why was why why did that happen and it didn't happen before so I think the reason for that is that I've always had to I feel like I had to look after myself very independently it was more you know i' I've got to get through this and just and it was more about you know I need to work I need to do this and it was very I was very driven and focused boys didn't really come in I I didn't really fancy anyone I didn't it was not a thing it didn't it didn't bother me at all and I'd see I mean I'd see girls you know they'd be on the phones to their boyfriends when they' be away and and um you know I've said I I worked in Milan and um that's a bad City for being hit on I can imagine right the Italians aren't they the worst oh I love the it you know I actually I have a very I have a very soft spot for Italy I love it and one day I hope to live there but you would where um I you know that's still up in the air I've traveled a lot around um Milan is probably the place that I've been to most and I love the north of Italy I've Got a Friend um petro and he lives in a place called braa and it's just it's gorgeous little town and I've never even heard of it before and it's just beautiful and the people I just think are so welcoming and warm and I just love the culture yeah and so and the food's good yeah I mean the food's amazing and the the men I I got you know that impression before I went went to Italy they said you know oh the men you know are going to grope you yeah not at all I thought in fact I thought maybe that's down south maybe did you go to Rome have you been to Rome I went to Rome and I actually wasn't any different it wasn't I thought the way that the way that um they are I think they're just very expressive and I kind of I just I just think it's funny and I thought I think they don't do it to to be you know um gross or anything they don't to be funny and it's it's kind of if you just kind of embrace it it's like you know it's that's great yeah yeah I guess so that's fantastic so your current boyfriend how did that how did you get to meet with what was it about him that you fancied so with so with Jake it was um I we we met in Mars he's also um photographer and uh so was on a shoot is he English he's not he's Canadian okay and um and and I we just clicked like we were just like it was one of them instant things where I just really was it energy was it personality what was it that what's the initial spark of that interest for me was he was so caring and he followed me around like a puppy dog and I thought it was really cute and endearing and I just thought he wanted to be hang out with you yeah I guess so it was nice and I I yeah I mean it was one of the things and it took a long time to convince me that oh do I want to be in a relationship you know and with a photographer cuz we have to discuss that because it's it's sort of it's a on the work on the job relationship yeah it kind of was like that yeah uh did that factor into any any of it is that is it more interesting that he's the photographer oh what's going on live video is ended H 989 viewers wow let me go chopped yesterday's that's amazing that's a lot of people wow that is quite impressive there we go thank yes done wow can we do it again yeah let's go for it let's see if we can TP it again is that great so it's that little camera at the top yeah that's right we can start it again start live video wow that's pretty cool I wasn't expecting that you were very entertaining though some good good info I think it's all about that it's uh um value yeah right yeah checking connection we hope maybe the connection went I don't know possibly it's see okay I'm sure they want to come back see connection this is my this to me today they honestly I'm it's constantly saying okay no connection then it goes on what's your carrier what company T-Mobile is that good in New York I thought it was you know it's been pretty good but I mean today now it's telling me that it's this maybe the weather's got something to do with it here we go 3 2 1 hey and we're back hello a little interlude that's so funny it's great I don't know whether it's a set time that it gets to and then cuts out maybe on Instagram maybe maybe but we're back again so let's continue with Jake and the idea that a photographer and a model can get together and is that just or is it just a man and a woman or does the photographer model dynamic dynamic add anything to the procedure um I mean he's obviously he gets it he gets what I do I get what he does he travels I travel that works very well and you have that in common you have your careers in common yes and he understands industry and I think that's a big thing as well um and you know obviously for he's got to feel quite comfortable with me being in a bikini with another you know photographer and he knows that it's there's nothing in it but it's just what I do and and I have to accept that maybe he shoots a girl that's in lry it's fine I and neither of you are jealous people no I really don't have any jealousy towards that and in fact he's got a lot of girls that are friends and I think it's great because I get to hang around them too and they're all lovely people so it's it's great okay yeah and did you have lots of girlfriends in the business that you've made over the years yeah I are you a woman's woman or you or a man's woman if that I'm I'm in the middle you know and I think um yeah I'm in the middle I'm I can be very much a girly girl and then I love to be like Outdoors Z and like it's like my brother's kind of like as my dad's aspect of that as where we were growing up watching like planet Earth and David aten yeah that kind of you know that's photographer there we go D yeah definitely of course watching Wildlife documentaries and sort of twigging quite early on that the camera was the passport to getting out into the world to see beautiful amazing things that's really and I lived opposite Q Gardens so the first pictures I took were of birds and plants and animals and stuff but the at the part opposite that's really cool I so I wanted to be a wildlife documentary cameraman and stuff yeah early would you do it now no I wouldn't do it then because I like the the group The both the safety and the group and the camarad of the group and the idea of sitting in a hide for 6 months waiting for an animal to do a certain thing right it'd be a lonely existence right and so this way because I travel so much you get the best of both I get the I got the comfort of the motor home and the crew but I can knock on people's doors and explore a culture and have that opening that fashion photography allows that's really cool and I get where I get where you're coming from especially when you have a good team of people it's the best feeling and you feel like oh do you know what we've got amazing images and I feel like they're going to last forever and it's just been the best that's that's what I kind of live for in this and and the reason why I'm doing this show now is because I've spent so so many years chatting with the location bus driver about his life oh okay and that's why I'm really into it um it gets you out the house as I say uh gets you into the world gives you a purpose yeah and puts you in com you know in contact with people to share stuff with comfortable situations and that's what's life I mean that's where memories come from is when when you have things that go wrong and you meet these strange people it kind opens your mind and it becom an addiction I that's why I keep traveling it's just I want to keep exploring that do you work with your boyfriend now that you are together as a couple has it been different I mean we haven't actually been on a job together since um but yeah know we haven't I guess where do you live together here in New York here in New York so um yeah we're a no leater and um how long has it been it's been I think it's coming up to 9 months I okay congratulations the early days this is the the wonderful H and moon period it's when it comes to 18 months to 2 years Apparently that is the technical time when the in love chemicals have start to drain from the system those chemicals tell a time he's going to have to really pull out this thing and at that point 18 months to years you're you're not in you don't have a chemical uh view of the other person you don't have the Euphoria you don't have the the rose colored glasses on you actually see them for who they are for the first time and it's at that point that lots of relationships either continue or don't oh lots of people are are addicted to the the the feeling the Euphoria of being in love and the falling in love and then when the reality hits in it's a bit of a shock and a wakeup call and they sometimes if they just want the or the initial excitement they move on they move on ah see for me I don't know if I'd feel like that I I watched my mom and dad and they are best friends they're really I and I think that's what I I aspire to have as as a relationship is to have a best friend so for me that's the most important thing if you've still got that Bond then I think and your mom and dad are compatible people do they like doing the same kinds of things do you know what they they different my dad's an introvert and my mom's an extrovert and they actually it works very well yeah it works very well it's like they balance each other out I think that's how it works is Jake an introvert or extrovert he's an extrovert I think oh no he's a bit of a both actually yeah he's a bit of both photographers a moody they're in and out that so funny um oh my goodness but it's working so you're you're really happy so you would consider this to be your first Big Love Affair in your life yeah completely that's so great so if he's watching then yeah nice one Jak you did good mate just keep saying got keeper here for sure this will last past the two twoyear Mark I'm sure there we go are you Broody are you no you're not a natural I love children actually don't cuz my my mom was uh she owned a a d Nursery of like 80 children um so for me I've been around been around kid yeah yeah and um so I actually love them I think I think they're great they're like little people with no Ambitions and I aspire to be like that um but yeah no I'm I'm not brood yet not yet no no it's two early days ear you're going to have a fun time so what's your favorite thing to do together what is a perfect day perfect day well like recently it's just the silly things and it's kind of like every day thing we went to smoresburg you know the the foodie um so food yeah we do a lot of food stuff together we go to the movies and I mean for me I I just love those like moments where you know we just talk about um anything or nothing and it's kind of it's just it's those moments I love that's great yeah so what are you wearing today let's talk about your model style come dressed in well I've got a Sonia Rael um T-shirt on oh yeah and I love it because it's got got the motorbike on which I Aspire and will do one day and I want to ride a motorbike and I want to get a Triumph bonaval uh my dad's brought me up into that kind of thing your dad's a bike biker he's a biker yeah he rides he rides yeah and he rides a tra vonville and he did do he hasn't got a bike anymore oh okay so he he had to give it up I think when we went to Australia it was kind of like okay we need to you know get rid of everything and uh he didn't get one again he will do he definitely will yeah for sure I don't know what bike he'll go for but for me my favorite bike that he ever had was a Triumph oneall right so hence you're going to get one you could get one one day I I can't drive oh but you can learn very quickly hopefully everyone tells me I shouldn't do it though they pen dangerous it's very dangerous yes exactly I agree with them I must say oh I know everyone happing my dad there's plenty of time to ride you can do that when you're in late later on exactly keep all this intact please this is your living and then I've got some leather pants which I just love and they're from frame frame yeah frame and they're just is that here in New York um yeah they're here well they're in Los Angeles and London I believe and they they do online stuff so yeah they're and they're just great and they do jeans and I just think you can get the lengths in them and the fit is perfect I just love them they're great and then you came in with an ma1 style B jacket which I really love as always Jack and this is from kth um so it's a fashion version of one I guess so yeah um it's really cool it's like a champagne color and it's perfect for days like day cuz it's it's it's weatherproof um and yeah so and then what about the the big old heels I'm going to get them for you you can stay there the shiny boots yeah they're my lucky boots actually here they are and where they feel very shy twen I guess um these are actually from Russell and Bramley in London good old BR you know I saw them in the window and I thought I'm having them they're really great I just love them I think they're like Welly boots but in a he style they're cool and they will keep you dry they will keep me dry but they like I said they pain to get on and off that's the only okay so um we talked about your Niche yes so it came very naturally and easily being naked being in uh scandle glad swimwear oh yeah being naked and is that were you like that anyway or is it something you had to do for the job are you in uninhibited you're uninhibited as a personality um no actually you know what it's when I'm when I've got a job to do I'm very much like I want to get the best shot I can get and I want to I don't care and I'll do it in real in in real terms I guess I wouldn't just go on the beach naked like you know of course but you're not you're not brish or you can't can't be no I mean yeah it would be weird if I was yeah that would be strange um yeah so no no I guess not and let's talk about your move to New York because again when I looked at your pictures originally I thought you must have been either American or because you're so all American Athletic strong sporty and that was seemed to be your wheelhouse and Niche M so were you doing all of that stuff in England before you came over um or were you direct booked here doing that stuff and then you decided to come so basically for a lot of European girls I know it's um very hard to get a US Visa so you do a lot of your I mean my my work was I I lived in Istanbul for a while I I lived in Milan and and London and that was my where my work was that was that was yeah it was kind of an odd one yeah how did that happen so I mean for me it was a complete surprise I got told uh they said you know uh I thought you know Paris will be on the cards and you know things like that and and they said no we're going to there's a you know there's a really big M they've got Vogue they've got Mar CLA they've got all these it's a big it's you know it's a big city it is um and lots of money I guess so yeah and uh and so yes and uh and so they said you know how do you feel about going to Istanbul and I thought oh here we go again they've given me this opportunity I can't say no and and I just said yeah sure I'll give it a go and um it was a really interesting experience um it was I mean it had hard times and really good times had some amazing friendships from it um with the girls I lived with and also the people in Istanbul I made really good friends there and I did not expect that in the slightest and it opened my eyes again to a whole different culture and it was so different now Istanbul being a Muslim country yeah uh and you being a female mhm and bearing a lot of your body yes so how did that work I know it's quite a secular of the Middle Eastern countries M but did you come into did you have any issues at all so I had that exact perception of what it was going to be I thought it's going to be like when I went to Dubai I was I was you know told to cover up and that was it um and then so I thought Istanbul must be exactly the same it's a very modern city though and the people have got very modern ways about and the especially the young people um so it's actually kind of it's kind of hip and it's kind of they it's not big deal you can you know you can wear some shorts and it's fine obviously you've got to be respectful but it wasn't how I thought it' be at all it was it really blew my mind actually it was it was really cool it was very modernized how long were you there for I was there for two two or three months I think it was yeah have you been to Japan I haven't that's one place I would love to I would love to go but I think I are you too tall um it's not about height it's not about height but I know that they like girls with very petite measurements that depends the girls that makes sense right that makes total sense um so you'd be a complete Amazonian maybe maybe but it's funny that even when you walk around a stum ble like I would go around you're bigger than people oh my gosh yeah I Wasing yeah and I would go around the you know the um the supermarket you know getting my you know Food daily and they would be you know these little men and they would they would walk around the super think what's this girl doing shly you know and you know like I promise to look like an alien to them blueeyed and they just think who is this girl so you had like the pi Piper a string of little men following you around maybe they were just more like intrigued and think why is she here that's a weird Apparition yeah exactly for sure for sure so what prompted the move to America mhm you're freshly off the boat really yeah Super Fresh three weeks no no no not that fresh oh couple of months couple of months yeah it's been um five months I believe yeah working here so and why did you do it um so I basically it was always in me that even from when I moved when I was 16 I thought I go to America I want to do it and I want to I want to experience it and see what the I'm even we' never go on holidays on to this side of the world it was like you know it's always Europe because it's on your doorstep and it's always been a place that's um that's another half an hour see oh my goodness we're going into whoops I'm continue it's flying by go see what what is everyone saying well we should the thing is it's hard to keep track and be interactive at the same time and get a good interview with you I feel like be focused too many stories to tell you yeah are we cool I thought we were always cool I thought we were always cool the Brits were always cool yeah come on Mr zlin we were always cool yes and not Pasty at all no come on we we can do it it's fine um funny so it really was just a question of you saying I want to live in America for a about a while and experience it yeah it really was and I you know I I I was with IMG and we know I joined well I was founded by IMG I moved to agencies and that was always part of the that was always part of the day I was said you know I want to I want to venture there and I want to make sure we can get the visa going and I want to see what I can do I mean it's I want to keep exploring and and also I've I've got into my acting as well and I oh yeah let talk about that yeah so it's really kind of a place where you know I I want to explore here because I know that there's some great acting schools and I know that obviously La I can hopefully be by Coastal um and W have taken me on as well which is an incredible thing it's like blown my mind um but it's WME stands for um William moris there we go so how do you get to be with William Morris and DEA that are a theatrical agent what do they see in you so far that they think that they can um profit because that's the basic that's the bottom line I guess in the acting world so I guess it's you know they I'm classes I guess new Talent um so I mean for me I was so passionate when I was in school drama was my favorite lesson I would look forward to so much and I just thought you know how on Earth can someone like me um be able to get into acting now like you know that I haven't gone to you know a d you know drama school I haven't done any of that and or the theatrical training and um all I've got is life experience behind me and I think um it's funny I think what I so I basically I managed to audition for a part in a film coming up which is um Justice League um and it comes out in November and it's a small part um but I'm impressed the right people and the the casting directors and it kind of went from there and then it kind I you know I I got to meet these people and I filmed and it was the best experience you're going to be it's just come to me you're going to be a superhero I would love to be a super built friend honey that's it I see it all there we go that's it Wonder Woman there we go we do the Wonder Girl there we go that's it maybe maybe who knows who knows and all the Disney stuff that's being Reed you know my daughter went see Beauty and the Beast so live action versions of the Animated Series it's really becoming a thing yeah and you look like that oh well thanks you're going to make a fortune you make lots of money now from the advertising Sports Arena because I would have thought that there's a lot of money in the NS and Adidas and all that and you could work day and you can make a nice tidy Penny if you don't mind nice tidy Penny do you know what actually moving abroad has it's it's hard because you have to start over again and it's an investment you have to put money in you have to you know it's it's everything and it comes again and so did you have money in the bank yeah yeah yeah yeah so you're coming in a different in a different kind of tax bracket yeah already yeah and I guess it's well I mean no it doesn't mean that I'm I'm not I'm I wouldn't say I was well off or anything like that I mean for me I've I yeah I I guess I came here and it's it's it's been an investment and it's still you know I'm still getting up on my feet and um but that's okay I mean for me the the world doesn't revolve around money and I know that I probably should be more you know aware about that I'm more about um I'm more about actually just I have this very like hard balance with life I'm you know I had to think reality okay that's you know earning money and you know being businesslike and I try my best to do that but it doesn't come natural to me and then I had this other side where it's creative and I want to I want to do the best job I can not because I want to get money and get booked again it's because I want to have the best experience and I want to get the best thing out of it and let's Inspire everyone and let's do that and that really is like what what I like to do what you're here to do so if it brings money then that's great that's a huge bonus but for me money come like my kind of currency I guess is in in memories and that's amazing it sounds really cheesy you're so wide I guess it comes from my dad and mom I guess and I kind I've got to say I want to mention this in that when I got the schedule from IMG of the models that I was going to be seeing for the over the next couple of weeks Penny was a name on the list and I did my due diligence oh yes and looked you up all up on Instagram to get a feeling of who you were okay and so I followed you yes and it wasn't that very long after that that I got an Instagram Direct message from you yes saying it's nice to meet you we're going to be working together next week or whatever we're going to see each other yeah and you made that initial connection and I've got to say that was really rare oh really it doesn't usually happen that in advance I suppose social media has made that a possibility but hither to it was very rare that that a model who hadn't worked with a photographer could reach out in advance that way yeah but the fact that you did so um and took that um initiative to do so was really impressive oh thank you because I got so much from you in terms of your energy and enthusiasm and more importantly a commitment to do the job a week later because if if this is the job if if part of the job is meeting the person to get the job then it's already working it's already work right the gy is work open and um you're going to go far with that attitude oh thank you thanks so much because it shows a Gusto it shows an enthusiasm it shows a a genuine you were just so you're great you're lovely than so you're lovely thank you would you know I mean it's that simple I think there's a quality about people that is undeniable when they walk in the door and then when they start expressing fully and it's no wonder I believe that a WME would see that in you a that's very sweet thank you I mean to be at service again it's the same thing that I've spoken to uh to to people about before is that our job it really is about communicating and giving of ourselves oh completely giving of our energy giving of our Visions giving of our passion for life and beauty and all the rest of it yeah so it's really important to share that that's I'm glad you can see that it's actually it's really nice to actually come across someone who who gets that as well and I for me when I you know when I when I messaged you I thought oh you know I don't want to seem too forward and I thought do you know what no I'm I'm just going to be as organic and genuine that's what I wanted to do and I want exctly and it came across completely naturally like that oh good I'm glad you said up for it you know that's a great quality that I think us Brits flag fly the flag off is being up for it and getting out there and being a bit Shameless in a way but it's not it's not a in a negative way it's a it's a from a genuine face exactly let's do it let's do this yeah that's kind of a great quality for being uh in the world today yeah I think so I think it's and people I think are afraid about you know I know I do it as well you know like oh what would you know what does someone think of me if I do this or what my action is and I I this is where it comes down to my mom again where I you know think you know what just be yourself and just if you you know if that's how I wanted to message you then okay if you take it the wrong way or you know whatever and you think I'm you know being too forward then then that's that but it's not how it is and that's so it's great you get you get me and it's like totally totally well I think many many more people will get you to come oh I in all sorts of ways and shapes and forms so I think you're pretty special in that respect oh wow I'm going to walk out I would be a to fit through the doorway it's going to be so big it was a real pleasure um thank you you so much thank for if you want to see more of these kinds of interviews cuz I'm obviously I'm starting this project and I don't know how it's going to be I'm just doing it like you say just out of a genuine sense of wanting to share you know what it is we do yeah it's great I think it's just really cool that you're doing this it's so if you want to see more I guess tune in it's every every weekday at 1:00 there we go five days a week there we go no worse of the weend exactly it's a pleasure really was amazing and thanks for coming again I appreciate it thank you very much for your time thank thanks Penny bye everybody bye thanks for tuning in thank you thanks for all the support it's really appreciated should we let's take a few if there are any questions or something you read any of that I mean there's a lot of Italians we go there is to it's coming in thick and fast they're talking in Italian are they taking the piss so it's probably maybe who knows let's have a look give it give me some English questions maybe see I can't do that on my Facebook one cuz the oh the camera is not that yeah that's it see this is where I tried to learn Italian for a bit but oh I love you too what's your favorite animal my favorite animal is are you an animal lover I can well there's the whales I well the whales but I actually got given a really good I mean here we go I'm starting off again but I got given a really good um question they said what's the three animals that um that you love and list them in order of um of you know rank them in in the three best you know first being the most lovable animal and uh and they said give a reason for it and mine was um my first one was an orial bird I love the orial and that's an American bird so that's weird yeah I know it could have been a robin red breast or a black bird I love those birds as well I do love those birds but there there's a there's a there's a lucky story behind it and um um it's basically there's a whole story behind that I won't get into it but it's my lucky bird and I love it because it's very beautiful and the song is absolutely gorgeous second one was Jaguar because I think it's strong sexy bold and it's independent and the third one was um a dog and it was a mut and that's because it's lovable and I just think they're just lovely little genuine dogs totally great totally and so anyway I said these answers and um and any apparently the first one is what um you want people to perceive you as oh wow the second one the second one is what people see you as and the third one is actually what you are so okay that's weird a weird psychological game I don't know what's the second one my second one was Jaguar you appear to be a Jaguar but you're really a friendly lovely M there we go that says it all guys that says it all there we go is there's something in it there we go they having a good old laugh in Italian oh wish I knew we it's terrible we're in the dark but thank you again everybody uh for all the support and loves and hearts I do think that's so nice isn't it that's lovely yeah it's really nice thank you for watching and we'll see you again soon oh here we go what do you think about p paramia is that where you've been have you been there I haven't been I don't think you see you've got lots of fans in Italy yeah they're totally it's a Italian Fest okay when will you come I hope I hope that's why because you said you wanted to live there yeah I me it so I loved it and I think I I hope that I me one day I'll hopefully learn the language that's definitely thing to do and to be back I hope it's this year and I hope it's this summer I I would love to go back this summer that's amazing so I'll keep you keep I've got to get ready to collect my daughter from don't worry we've got to go it's fine that's so nice thanks for the hearts bye everybody lots of love