This might be psychotic, but I kind of view a first date as an interview. It's like interviewing someone to bone. >> >> I feel like I'm doing something really stupid right now. We have an emergency debrief situation. Hi, this is Halley from the streets of New York. Guys, I had every intention of staying in last night. Okay. >> >> Okay, Paige Lorenz. >> >> Welcome to Extra Dirty. Thank you. I'm so excited. I am so honored to be here. >> to be here? I'm so thrilled to be here. What's the secret word for the the flying cocktails that come in? >> >> One of the flying cock- Wait. Oh, there there they come. See those. Cheers, cuz. Cheers, cuz. Ooh. Who made these? Delicious. Holy Guys, so good. Wait, I'm going to down it. >> >> Are you actually? Maybe. >> Is this a contest? Oh, Remember when we did that? >> good idea we did that. >> Remember? Oh, yeah. >> when we were making that Tik Tok? Yes. And we were drinking the same drink and you kept wanting to retake the video. And then I Yeah, but you threw up and I didn't. >> threw up in the bathroom of the restaurant. Yeah. >> Yeah. But okay. Paige, you do you don't do many podcasts, so I feel honored that you're sitting here with me. I don't do many podcasts. >> nervous? I'm honestly not, which is more concerning. I know I wouldn't be nervous. This is a safe space. Let's start from the beginning. When I was born in Boston, Massachusetts. No, I want to start from like where did we meet? I think I met you or knew about you before you knew about me. You've not talked about this. >> No. Halley has been famous for a very long time. >> True. It is true. >> No. Yes. >> But continue. You've always had star aura. And you've always been that girl. That's so kind. >> But I really mean it. Even if we weren't friends, I would undeniably say that about you. >> why did you think that was your first impression of me? You were pretty. You were vivacious. >> Vivacious. >> Yeah. I like that. You're really larger than life. Like truly, that's why I think that you're doing what you're supposed to be doing cuz you're truly someone that just has aura around them. Like you are someone that people want to get to know. You have that like allure about you. But you've always been like that. So I knew you were. So backstory, Halley and I both grew up going to Nantucket Island. It's a very small island. And I think you were just very known on the island for being fun. I would go out a lot. I would go out to the bars a lot. >> you were one of the cool girls. And I wanted to be your friend. And we worked This story is next to each other. Yeah. And I remember the first time there was this guy that was dating one of my friends and he was jamming you and you knew that. >> No, he he added me on Snapchat. >> Okay, which is even worse. >> Yeah, he added me on Snapchat and I immediately was like did not add him back and I told someone. I told your friend. >> Yeah. I was just like I think I think he has a girlfriend and I was sad for her, I guess. And I and I wanted I didn't want to tell her. I just didn't really know what to do. Mhm. And is that how you found out about me? Well, yeah, because I was kind of in that friend group with the girlfriend. But I just thought found it was so interesting because you were the one that was honest and up front about it and you were like having this girl's back, but like I feel like you were made almost like the villain. But that's always how it goes. And I did learn from that situation. I think I think in general in situations like that, you're never going to come across girl to girl. Girls are way meaner to girls than guys are. >> Girl on girl crime rate. I talk about all the time. >> are really mean and I think I thought I was doing the right thing, but in reality I think I probably ended up hurting more feelings by trying to do the right thing. Yeah. >> That's happened to me even in my adult life. Yeah. >> Trying to I feel like, you know, be real about a situation, confront a situation. A lot of people aren't either there or want to hear it or So I've just I'm very unconfrontational now, I feel like in my life. >> You're unconfrontational now? >> Yeah, I would say. Yeah, I feel like you don't like confrontation. >> I just don't like problems with anyone. I'd rather have, yeah, nothing with someone. Like I would rather fake get along with someone than have an issue with someone. So you don't like the drama. No. I like drama. You do? >> A little bit. You definitely It's funny. Halley will be having an issue with someone. I'll be like, "Just text her or call her. Like it there's nothing that can't be solved." And she's like, "No." Yeah. See, I'm the type of person and my mom's this way where I've I feel like anyone's even a little bit upset at me. Yeah. I'm calling them. And even if this person hurt me really badly, I'm like what how can I apologize? How can we make this better? I just like don't like >> on me. Yeah, I just don't like having difficult conversations. Sometimes I just like push them off cuz then I don't want to get like worked up about it. >> I would rather have a difficult conversation and make up with someone than have any sort of animosity with someone. Even someone that I don't really like. I would rather just be cool. Um but I feel like some people like contrast and confrontation and thrive off of it a little bit. >> Yeah. >> Maybe you do a little bit. >> Well, I just like I don't know. Drama's always entertaining to me. I love love watching reality TV and I think part of it's from that. >> Would you ever do reality TV? Yeah, I would. >> You would? I would. I would be a housewife if someone would If anyone's watching this, someone needs to do a show on Halley and her family on Nantucket. I don't know if Dairy Boy needs to open a production company and do that show, but >> You should. >> Maybe we will. Oh my god, we can milk cows. >> We can on Nantucket. >> >> Well, yeah. Weren't you just looking at spots on on Nantucket for Dairy Boy? >> Yeah, so we're going to open a store next summer on Nantucket. We thought it would be huge. I think you told me actually I you told me off camera. Yeah, I'm really excited. I think the island doesn't have something in our price point at our quality. And I think for young shoppers and honestly an older demo, it'll bring something fresh to the island. I'm just really excited. I also feel like Nantucket is such a world. Like there's truly nothing aesthetic-wise that's so authentic and true to New England than Nantucket. And I feel like that lends itself so nicely to Dairy Boy. >> And you like know exactly what that aesthetic is. Yeah, I also worked retail, right, on Nantucket? So I feel like I know what shoppers want. That experience working retail, I know you worked retail, too, but I feel like in a way subconsciously is so good for being a creator and an influencer because I know how to move product. >> Mhm. So yeah, I think that gives us an edge. I know there are a lot of creators that worked retail. Like Halley Kate worked I think a lot of people should work retail to understand like the beast that it is. >> 100%. But also just like females and our emotional IQ, like the way that we can sell to people and relate to people, I think is so interesting. And it's a good skill. Yeah, it's a great skill. >> Even if it's like working behind a desk at a Yeah, I agree. >> shop on Nantucket. What other jobs did you do before you started influencing? I worked a lot. I went to college in New York City and I part of the reason why I wanted to go to college in New York City is cuz I knew I could get like a real big girl job while I was in college. I was a nanny. I worked at Crew. I was a hostess. I was a sales associate. >> Mhm. For like a week. >> hostess. Wait, I think it was the same summer and you quit before I got there. I think I was filling your shoes. >> >> I really didn't like it because I felt like I wanted tips. It was work. >> for no tips? >> For no tips. Like one thing about me is I like to make money. And that's on period. I I love to make money. And the hostess thing was not was not bringing the coin that I was looking for. >> of hard work, a lot of like feeling like the small little fish in a pond. Like you were literally the bottom of the barrel >> That for like 12 bucks an hour. >> And you know what I think it is? I think waitresses deal with so much honestly harassment from especially men. >> Yeah, especially Nantucket ones. It's like a bunch of Oh my god. They're getting off their yacht and they're going to Crew. And I think I could deal with and and, you know, deal with and play off of the sort of rudeness of men when I'm getting a tip. Mhm. But when I'm dealing with that rudeness without a tip, that's a wrap for me. No, that's a wrap. That's a wrap. >> I worked at Crew. Mhm. And then I would finish my day shift at Crew and I was wearing like this little white T-shirt and like really skinny white jeans and like Oh, the Michael Kors outfit. >> Yep, the Michael Kors outfit and I would look like a 16-year-old and I was like 25. And then I would head over there and I would go to Galley and make literally I'd probably make $90 in a full day from like 11:00 a.m. to 11:00 at night. >> Yeah. It was really fun. >> The cool thing about Nantucket, everyone works. Everyone works. >> Even the trust fund babies. I was not a trust fund baby, but even the trust fund babies all worked. >> I think it's important to work either in retail or the restaurant industry cuz I feel like it humbles you and it kind of teaches you like work like work. >> Yeah, 100%. And that's what I like about Nantucket though is like right when you can start working, everyone gets a job. Yeah. Um >> It's like one big country club. It is. >> How many summers did you spend out there before like we I'm we never really hung out there. I know. I >> see me out and I'll be crossing the street. >> is? I think the Boston families stick together. And then I was sort of like from Connecticut and Vermont. Do you know what I'm saying? But like I feel like you didn't go out that much cuz I would have seen you out. I was very straight edge. Yeah. >> Yeah. Let's talk about that. >> Okay, let's talk about that. >> You were very straight edge. >> I was. I was a ski racer going to a ski racing academy, and I felt like my parents were putting so much money into me being an athlete, and I felt like the right thing to do was to be really serious about that. Also, I was just very focused. I was really focused as a young girl, and the things that I found fun were different when I was younger. Mhm. Like I loved to fish. I loved to just surf. I liked Horseback riding. Horseback riding. Um but I truly I've always had a great relationship with my parents, and I think I always respected how much they sacrificed for me. Mhm. And in a different way, with ski racing is a very expensive sport. It's sort of similar to horseback riding, where I knew how much they were sacrificing for me to be able to chase my dreams, and >> Mhm. the least thing I felt like I could do was not drink and not be a problem in high school. Yeah, that's probably why we didn't cross paths. >> I was not invited to any of the cool parties. No, I knew about you guys, but I wasn't invited. But that's why >> I would have invited you. >> you would have, >> you come? Pro- probably would have been scared. But I think that's why um I don't know. Obviously, I feel like I've always like known about you or known who you are, so seeing you in this career even when you are like I don't even know what I'm doing. Like I know what you're doing, and I know that you are in what you're in your calling. Like I truly think When I was first starting this and starting to first like taking posting online seriously, I do remember you being like you have it, like you just kept posting, and you predicted the whole thing. I did predict the whole thing. I also think that there are people in this industry with like aura, and I think Yeah, I love her use of aura. But seriously, what's like there's no other word I can think of. >> sauce. The special sauce, and I think you have the special sauce. I mean, there are so many beautiful women that don't have the special sauce. And you know who has the most special sauce? Guess. The celebrity. Who like gets a like a bit of hate. But I think it's related to her aura. Wait, I know this. Think about someone who's really tea, that gets a lot of hate. Megan Fox? >> >> Help. Literally help. Hailey Bieber. She is so tea. She's so tea. She's so influential. She's such a good person. I just watched her episode when she was on Owen um Yes. >> Owen deals podcast, and she was just such like a normal She is. I mean, I've met her in person and been a supporter of hers for a long time, and I think she's a great example of someone with aura and influence and style and charisma that I think is is killing it, obviously, but And she's crushing it. She has her business, and she's just >> Right. But just people like that, you know, it's it's it's yeah. But yeah, I see that for you, and I'm I'm so happy for you. Yeah, I just sometimes I you know, I want to stay like >> hard sometimes. >> It is hard sometimes. >> it. Like >> Yeah, but I would imagine that even like people like her that are way bigger than us, you know, it's Oh, she's gotten more hate than any of us combined. >> Yeah. The tides are turning a little bit though, I think. >> tides are turning, because I think she kind of just like leaned in and just Yeah, and I also think that the truth always prevails. I think I like that. It really does. I think because in this industry, you can virtue signal so much about being a good person or putting out things that make you seem like you're a good person or if you're supporting the right causes, but I think truly your experiences you have with your community >> >> real people, friendships always like come forth. Even if there's like really hard times. I You know, like if you know that you're a good person and that you're not anything that you know, I mean, I feel like both of us everything has been said under the sun about us. Yeah. Truly? >> like I've said it first, but like Yeah, you're definitely you are you I mean, yeah, I love that for you. I think you're so ahead of it, and I feel like you clock yourself before anyone can clock you, which is something I don't really do. I feel like I don't get up online and sh- I'm not super vulnerable online. I'm like You come from a different era of like influencer though. I feel like you protect your peace a lot more, and I think that's something maybe I'm going to learn eventually that I should do, but like I will say >> you can destroy my peace. But I'll say in criticizing myself, I think if if you are not if you are not putting out a narrative about yourself about certain things and certain topics, someone will make it sort of for you. It's like fan fiction. Well, there's a lot of that. There's a lot of like lore, fake lore, and and fan fiction, but I think I think that's something that since I'm not really on TikTok, there's a lot of people are just curious about I'm a business owner, right? I'm I've had public relationships. I'm marry marrying a tennis player, and I think A lovely man. A lovely, lovely man. But I think that there's really a lot of just curiousness, and there's curiousness in the like there's love curiousness, and there's hate curiousness. >> move more mysteriously. Maybe a little bit. I think on my YouTube I don't, but I think I'm not putting that always that foot out there at that is, you know about my businesses, about who I am as a friend, who I am as a daughter, you know, and and I think I know in in my real life and in my business, I know who I am. I know, you know, I I respect the the industry, the people around me. I feel like like I'm obviously a good person, but that's but I think that always prevails, and I think I think that's what's important, and I know that you sometimes go through these like riffs online, but I think I think what's important to us and how I get through it and how I know that you get through it is just it I think it's a lot more hard when people are calling you out for something that you actually are, right? That hurts a lot more. And that's why I feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. I've gotten a lot of hate online, but I still feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing, because >> You don't want to be bullied into being inauthentic either, which is something I try to >> That is a huge, huge thing happening, I think, right now. >> Cuz people want you to be it's the like you can't win. Either it's like you're not being your authentic self or you're being inauthentic. >> lying to appease to a certain group of people or I refuse to do that. >> love that, and I look up to you a lot in that way. I think you're very vulnerable. I think you're very real. I think that's why you have such an amazing community behind you. I think that's why Unwell, you know, had the the amazing opportunity of even signing you. I think you're a really unique talent. Thank you. I think you're one of a kind, obviously. Thank you for speaking to me today. That is the sweetest thing she's ever said. But I think it is really hard, and I think also something that people I mean, I think your your die hard girls know this, but you're really smart, and I think a lot of people maybe because you talk about sex or you're very funny, but you're very smart, and you're very self-aware. I lean into like the I definitely lean into different personas, but like behind the scenes, I like >> But I actually think it's much more challenging. I think it's much more challenging to be so authentic and to say but like is real, and sometimes people won't agree with it, but I think that's way more challenging. You need to start a brand. I mean, seriously, I've literally tried to sit her down and give her a pitch deck for all the brands that I think she could start, but You want me to come up with an alcohol brand? A lot of things, that being one of them, It would be good. I just think you >> we'll do it together. Yeah. Please call me anytime. Yeah. But for now, but for now we're doing this. I asked I asked Halie to be in our campaign that kicks off our Black Friday. It's a drop before Black Friday. It's these it's this blue milk bottle. Look at the milk on the ass. >> >> This should be our clip art. But yeah, and and I think I don't know. I think So cozy. Also always been the biggest supporter in your brand. You have been so supportive of me. You're such a good friend. Something all of you guys should know about Halie. I truly I mean, I think people know this about you, but you are such a good friend. I I think I do hold very high standards for my friends. I have a very I mean, I have my childhood friends, so them setting the bar for my friendships is great, but it's also challenging, cuz I have a hard time letting new people in, but you are loyal, you're smart, you're caring, you are so supportive of all your friends, you are present. You're really great. I love you. >> But this is one of the reasons I've never like had someone be in my campaigns before. It's always been models or myself. No, I think we crushed it. >> We crushed it. >> And also we look alike in all of them, because we're related. >> a lot people don't know about us. We are actually related. That's crazy. >> So I found out about this, because my mom randomly It was like a random Tuesday. She goes "You know you're related to Halie, right?" That's such a random Tuesday thing to say. And I was like, "What? What do you mean?" And you know, I feel like I was expecting, you know, 15th cousin once removed. No. My grandmother's middle name is your last name. That is so insane to me. So my mom is from Boston. She's from Weston. Okay. Went to Nobles, and my grandma is a Whitney from Boston, which is like a big Boston family. >> Yes. And Yeah, let me >> And my dad's grandmother Let's call my mom. She's from Milton. It's some connection there. We're calling the Nance call Nance yeah. Hey. Hey Mommy hey Nance. Hey. Okay, so can you give us the tea on how you and I being related? Okay, so. SHE'S READY SHE'S READY. I got the so my mother's name was Margaret Batchelder Whitney. Her mother. >> Is was a Batchelder that was her maiden name. Wait. So and her mother was Margaret Batchelder before she got married. Wait. So we're we're like third cousins. >> No, second cousins. >> Second cousins. >> No, I think it's third cuz remember we cuz there's me in between right? That's crazy Mom. >> I know it's it's insane. That's why the jawline no that's why we're snapped but we also get a lot of injections. I don't have jawline injections clock it. >> Masseter Botox? >> Nope never. Never. I do sorry she doesn't claim it but I do. I did get filler once right here. Really? >> But it kind of made me look like handsome Squidward so I did dissolve it. >> God that was like my whole thing on Reddit was handsome Squidward I kind of loved it. >> We've both been called handsome Squidward sorry Mom we're still here. Um. So that's the that's the connection very cool. I love it. That's my blood right there. >> >> Goodbye Mom. Bye Mommy. I love her. She's so precious. >> Wait that is actually insane though. Wait so we're yeah we're related. >> We're related but you know what's weird we did never cross paths in New York City. You know what's scary? >> I left I left New York. >> I don't want to talk about that because why did you leave me like everyone else? Yeah. You know what? No cousin. >> >> I left the family. I think that being a creator is a really interesting job and I know that you feel like all the things that come with that the feeling weird about your purpose the feeling unfulfilled the feeling like what am I even doing? What am I you know it's it's a really odd job and I think I struggled with that and I struggled with the content that I was putting out when I lived here and I felt like you know. While I did feel like I was doing what I was supposed to be doing which is creating and building a brand and then building a business I didn't feel like it was the brand and the business that I actually wanted to build. So I thought about it and it was pretty clear to me where I needed to go and what I needed to do. And it so aligns with where the whole brand's gone. And I think I was just interested in being more authentic. I think I was living in New York feeling inauthentic feeling like whether it was you know all I was really doing was shopping or getting my hair done or creating content that didn't really inspire me and I think I I'm really good at recognizing when I'm going down a bad thing or a bad path and um also when I was getting hate online um I was also going through like some public relationships which are always challenging but I think when I looked at myself in the mirror I wasn't really aligned with that person in my like spirit in my my who I really was and I think that was really hard and I think I'm the a big believer and you have to be your best self-advocate and I took it really seriously and I I also like I've even when I was down bad crashing out in New York I always would have bet on myself. Like even when I had no confidence I still had confidence in that like if I put myself in an optimal position to succeed I can do something great cuz I know what it takes to be great and I think I knew that I was never going to be great in New York and I left and it like all flourished and I mean I'm still working on you know myself and things and I mean my life isn't perfect but I mean you've known me since before I was a creator. I've seen you through a lot of errors. Yeah. And I think I'm like actually really happy and I actually feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing influencing what I'm supposed to be influencing um also just like a level of authenticity in what I'm doing. Yeah. Um. >> I've seen you through like so many phases of self-discovery and it's been like really fun to see because I do remember you know I've just seen you like kind of go this through this like windy path and it's so nice to see you like I feel like you feel at home now. Definitely. >> person. 100% and I think I think something else that's underestimated is doing that self-discovery and while you know your 20s being documented online you know is challenging Yeah you make a lot of mistakes and it's trial and error that's what your 20s are for. Of course I mean right we all go through those phases and things and date some of us publicly some of us not but I don't regret any of those things. Even if I did make a mistake or I did you know get three syringes of filler in my lips and then have to dissolve them all like I although I look back at pictures and I'm like who the was that? That looks I do the same. crazy but like I don't actually regret any of that and It's character building. >> It's character building but it's also like I know I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing like I get like shredded online for these like old pictures of me and I'm still like yeah clock it like okay. It's just like part of the building blocks but like look where you are like >> the building blocks also like I'm not scared to dive full like two feet into anything. Like if I'm doing something I'm doing it. >> Yeah. Like if I'm doing New York I'm doing New York and I'm doing Connecticut I'm doing Connecticut and it's why I think I'm successful in business because it's like I'm not half-assing anything. And I think your audience feels that which is why I feel like you've built such a a strong community of people cuz they're like oh if she's doing this she's like 100% in like 10 toes down and I think that's Yeah and I I think that's how life should be and it's so exhilarating as a woman like getting on a meeting or getting on a zoom call with a brand that I'm collaborating with on a partnership or a business venture people know that I am serious. I know. Like and when I say I'm going to start something that I'm going to do it and if I'm going to put my whole back into something it's probably going to work and although people like you know the the critics be like oh it's just a merch brand Can we talk about the >> But like I'm like I'm running like a massive business and sorry like >> talk about the origin of Dairy Boy cuz I feel like a lot of people forget this that that it was like it's where it started to where it is now. Like can you explain that a little bit? >> Yeah so I always wanted to start a brand I think you know I at a very young age working in retail saw even before I think large corporations saw the value in Instagram and I knew that that was going to be new age marketing. Um so I knew that if I developed a following I could eventually develop a community that I could eventually develop a brand and I didn't have a full-fledged idea of what that would be and I think that is something I do want to like you know lend to and give light to in this conversation is that I didn't have a full idea of what you know Dairy Boy was going to be necessarily I mean I didn't even know what my brand was going to be called Dairy Boy it just happened that way but I know I wanted to start a brand and I think it's way more important to get your idea out there and start something even if it's not perfect than it is to like sit on something. And and cuz if I didn't start Dairy Boy and do it I would be sort of like a step behind in a way. Cuz there are so many people starting brands now and I'm not saying if you are watching this and you want to start a brand start a brand it's the best thing I ever did but like I listened to my gut at a very young age and like now I have like a very successful large business. >> You also like which I respect you listen to like any little critique that is made on any of your choice and then you go okay I'm going to take that and I'm going to make it just that much better. And that's I think that's why it's been able to flourish and make it Yeah definitely and I think also like I'm very realistic like I know what I'm selling and I know what I'm doing and I think in the beginning when it was camo hats and I was printing on blanks that were not mine they weren't a cut and sew garment um I it was it was just like a community thing and it was be a part of this because this is what I want to be building I also feel like I was making camo at a time that it wasn't like cool like it is now and I knew you know I knew that there was this interesting intersection with uh masculine things with a woman's touch and this like American tangible outdoorsy thing that like you know you might steal your dad's hunting jacket or your dad's sweatshirt or your dad's Carhartt jacket >> Yeah. but then you might crop it and I think there's something really like sexy and cool about that and I that's what I did when I was younger my ski jackets my gear that I wore whether it was skiing hiking hunting I felt like I was making it hot in a way when I wore it and I feel like there were no brands designing into that specifically like sport and fashion I've always been interested in for sport and fashion and when I started with camo with Dairy Boy and just like outdoor gear that was the vision I also worked at a ski shop so I worked at a ski shop where they were selling men's gear to women and I thought there was nothing hotter than that. Like there is nothing hotter than a woman >> I love the same thing. >> that's why I wanted you to be in this campaign. Like there's nothing hotter than a woman, like a true woman, wearing something menzy. Yeah. I mean, we're seeing fashion brands across the board lean into sport and into men's wear in general. But that was a part of my upbringing. Yeah. So I leaned into that with Dairy Boy even before I had connections in the garment manufacturing world. Um Again, I had the idea before I had the infrastructure. So I was printing on blanks. I was, you know, Someone made a video of it like peeling off. I was like, yeah, no Like I'm literally getting this I'm buying this blank and shipping it out of my garage. Like you know, and but I wasn't But I wasn't scared of that. And and I wasn't scared to learn. And now all of the connections that I have built are mine. Like I bootstrapped the whole business. Like yeah, I made some mistakes. But like now the quality of our garments is amazing. Our price is amazing. We have two in-house designers, production person, merchandising person. Like nothing is drop shipped. We are doing the work and everyone who actually buys our products that are not like a bot online saying that our quality is If you buy our products you know it's quality. Yeah. I can sleep at night knowing that. And to be honest we have 200,000 people on our site per drop. We're selling out over sometimes 30,000 units. >> In the pop-ups But like but like I have I have hundreds of thousands of happy customers and hundreds of thousands of direct feedback from people who are actually supporting my brand. Mhm. I'm stoked. Like I go to sleep at night and I'm like I'm happy with that. Because also I've I have hired an insane team around me. We even Rachel who's in the room with me, my CBO. We love Rachel. I, you know, she was a big part of my life at WME and my literally ran my whole business at WME. I scooped her up and she's a part of my team. I have a new CEO. I have a design director. Like Also like you are only are as good as your team. Mhm. And like I'm building this like the level of people I'm putting around me it's just like the sky is the limit for me. >> No, I feel like I watched you do that and I'm like, oh, here we go. We're about to level up again. >> 100% but I love like I love leveling up on myself. Like the sky is the limit. I have incredibly I'm an incredibly ambitious person. And when you're really ambitious, I think this is also maybe a misconception about me. I do block people online a lot. Like truly I love But I love blocking. I've gotten tagged in so many videos being like Paige Loren's blocked me online. >> >> Like you probably did for some reason. But by the way, by the way, I am never blocking people off for like off of if they like a post about whatever. Like I'm just blocking I'm just blocking if I see something that I think is sideways. Like if I think you're sus, I'm blocking. I block people online. misconception that I don't take criticism well and I think in the beginning of my career as an empath it was really hard for me. Mhm. Because I'm really like even when I do misstep, I'm always like trying to do the right thing. Yeah. Um I've not been perfect and like I've not handled situations perfectly. But like I'm really always trying to do the right thing. And I'm the first person to apologize if I do something like that's not me. Like I will And you've learned from every one of those experiences. >> people but the like the the any criticism I actually think is really good and interesting and it's a good conversation to have. And I think like I'm not deterred by that because my business is doing so well and it's been proven to me that like there can be a hundred 10 videos made about my business and the quality being bad and my sales will be up. Yeah. Like those bots don't actually matter which I also think is an important thing for you to know because you're not selling goods. Like I'm selling goods. So I have like very interesting analytical data of like how hate affects business. And I can firmly tell you hate the hate that I've gotten has never impacted my business once. The confidence that I get is from what I'm actually building because I think what's hard about Instagram and TikTok and even a podcast it's not always tangible, right? Like it's not physical goods that you're moving. It's like eyeballs. And views and conversations. >> So it doesn't feel as real sometimes and I think what's really grounded me is like people that don't like me or think that I'm whatever they've whatever version of myself they've made up about me. But I am I am succeeding in business and I'm getting >> person and like >> Right, but I'm also getting through to people. Yeah. But that's all that matters. Like if the majority of the people are feeling good from me and want my product and want to be a part of the Dairy Boy world, like I can live with the like 10% that you know don't love me. >> Yeah. And I think that that's why I always encourage you to like start a I mean, you are I mean, this is a brand. But starting a business and being an entrepreneur >> Yeah. I think I'm in a little bit of a different like phase of whatever >> I've been doing this for like 6 years. >> a lot longer than most people have. I always like consider you like an OG. I've been in the game for a long time. >> You were like the game. Like it was like you and like two other girls. Yeah, it's true. No, I appreciate that. But I'm excited to like keep pushing even you to expand what it means to be a brand owner and a business owner. Because >> And I always come to you for advice on everything that could be like very little to like any little thing. I'm like, wait, how do I handle this situation? And you've always never been wrong about all your No, I love that. I also think you have a very good support system around you. Like I'm very grateful for my family and my parents. They were doctors. But like my mom has been a huge part of my life. My dad has been a huge part of my life. I know you're very close to your parents. You have great hard working successful parents and I think you are this is just the beginning for you. And I think that even I mean, I feel like your dad would even be an asset to like helping you grow. No, yeah. He's we've discussed and he's going to come on the pod eventually. I cannot believe he hasn't been on yet. >> And like the fact that I talk to the half the stuff I talk about like is kind of like outlandish and out of pocket. He's just like so supportive. He's like, get that money. Like make it. Like he's just like Well, I also think he You know what it is? I also think he has a sense of humor. Yeah. >> think that you do that so well and I think sometimes maybe people are like don't get the gag of it all. >> No, people like think I'm like not It's not clocking to me. >> >> It's not clocking to you that I'm standing on business. >> to me it is clocking to me that I'm standing on business. You just don't know. Cuz I portrayed this like kind of like dumb character. You are one of the smartest people that I know. Oh my god, that's so sweet. >> Yeah. Can we talk about your wag stuff for a little bit >> Sure. You being a Obviously you're getting married to Tommy Paul, the most amazing sweetest man ever. He's the sweetest man. Other than your business cuz I feel like your business is the majority of what you're doing. This is like a small percent but an important percent of what you're doing. >> Yeah. How has that looked? It's been really cool. Cuz I feel like you are elevating in that world, too. Definitely. >> the wag. Oh, I appreciate that. Thank you. >> >> It's so cool to see so many fashionable interesting women around this sports space. I mean, even in tennis there are so many hard working amazing women. Mhm. F1 football such a fan of honestly what everyone is doing around sport. I think what's been really cool for me is I was a ski racer. So I went to a boarding school, a ski racing academy and sport I was like that's who I was when I was younger. So being able to still have that be a part of my life which I think really has made me who I am today. >> Yeah. Still be a part of my life is really cool. And then to be able to make it a part of my content is even cooler. Um And also since I am living this Connecticut life where I'm not dressing up very often, I think it's been a really nice avenue for me to add a layers to my content of I'm really only getting dressed up when I go to tennis. Mhm. So it's I think again it's like a layer of my business. Is there any like way where like your aesthetic with Dairy Boy and the style you choose to dress up for these events they overlap in any way? Yeah, I think that's what's really cool about Dairy Boy is it's it's not just one thing. Yeah. It's it's a girl who will be at the barn on Friday getting her hands dirty. But then on Monday she's at Wimbledon wearing Chanel. Yeah. Cuz didn't you do a specific piece for Wimbledon? Yeah. Yeah, I just have fun with what I do and I don't really put myself in a box and I think that women are really capable. Women are really capable of being both things. Mhm. And I think in the in a world of very hyper aesthetic Pinterest clean girl, rich girl, old money it's way more authentic and interesting to be a lot of different things. And I think I grew up you know, my mom played tennis. I grew up in Nantucket. I grew up in New England. So the sort of country club tennis courtside style is not unfamiliar to me. Mhm. I would say I grew up a little bit more woodsy and Vermonty. But I think it's been really fun to find my personal style through tennis. And Tommy's been so supportive of me creating tennis content. I think I went really all into the tennis content. And it was cool. But I also felt like again, when I do something I like to do it like 110%. Want to make it perfect. It went really well. Honestly, my tennis content like performs the best of like all my content. But I also was sort of like to be honest, again, I've said this before. but like being a wag is the most least interesting thing about me, I think. >> And I think I don't want to make it like too much of my personality because it's actually impossible for me to do everything 100%. It's impossible for me to be making the best tennis content, the best entrepreneurial content, being in every campaign for Dairy Boy, being a homemaker, being at the barn. Like again, it's like a lot. So, I've sort of like been trying to figure out, you know, how to refine that. And also just like I care about creating content that's valuable to my community. Mhm. >> Like if they told me, I like your tennis content the best. It's super aspirational for me. I love the fashion. I'd be like, you know what? Like let's do it. >> Yeah. I'm like very I'm very in tune emotionally with what they are saying. What do you think like the people that follow you like to see the most out of you? I think they >> You have like a lot of hobbies. I do have a lot of hobbies. I have like You're a professional hobbyist. And then you're like on some horse. And then you're making pasta. I'm like, what is going on? Like I don't have I know. I like get up and walk to the bathroom. But I think um I think people can tell when you're being authentic. Yeah. >> But that's challenging cuz off authentically I actually am interested in all these things. So To be honest, I think Like you were churning butter on a TikTok the other >> I was. Yeah. Like how? I think for me, and this is just like my point of view. I wish like I don't know. I don't have the perfect answer for this, but I think I think that I am showing or I'd like to think that I'm showing a different sort of feminism that is you can live a soft life where you like to cook, where you like to garden, where you like to take care of your husband or your significant other. Yeah. But you are also an entrepreneur and a business owner. You're also financially independent. >> Mhm. And you can do both. And I think that that is not really being shown. And I think that that is at the core why my content does really well at home. Cuz you work hard 24/7. >> I work a 9-5. >> But you also are catering >> I'm in the office all week working a desk job. >> Yeah. >> A lot of people also don't know that about me. But I think it's showing like a different life for women. I think a lot of us, especially from New England, you become a lawyer or you work at a bank or you work you know, whatever deems success for you. You work at a agency or you know, there's a lot of different roots for what deemed to be like a successful woman. And I think I showed that you could be a successful woman and it can look different. And that you can be a business owner, but live in the suburbs. And I think I leaned into being authentic, being what I doing what I actually wanted to do. Yeah. >> And I think that that resonated with people. Cuz I think our idea of like what successful is living in New York and grinding it out. Yeah. >> You know, like we're in a a society where I think being a boss woman is we're in that like sort of era. Where it's like people are like supporting a like a CEO. That's what they call it. >> Yeah. And I think that that's really cool because I actually do think women are like dominating business in like a way we've never seen before. But it doesn't look one way. And also you can want a traditional life Mhm. and also be you know, progressive and be a >> be that soft like girlfriend, whatever kind >> Right. That's like you know, the whole trad wife thing. I also find really interesting and and sort of offensive to a lot of women, not everyone, but like Nara Smith. Like I've met her. She is on set modeling for Fendi and Tory Burch and all these high-end brands while also cooking and raising five, 10 kids >> No, literally. >> while also having seven cameras cooking, while also buying her house. Like there's just so much more. Yeah. >> And I think I think we need to give women more credit that are creating content that are also living traditionally that it's a it's a choice. And we should also like celebrate people who want to live the way they want to live. This is what I was talking about recently too cuz I feel like society like when you hit certain um ages, you feel like you should be settling down. And I've been you have you know me for like how many years? I've been single the whole time. Like I am not in a rush to like And you shouldn't be. >> and then like be like, okay, I'm 28. Like this is the guy I'm seeing. Like we should get engaged. We should move in together. >> You're on your own path. Yes. And I think that being on your own path is a lot more powerful Yes. >> than the latter. Like you know what I mean? >> 100%. I think whether it's you're seeing someone who's already married having kids and you feel behind or you're seeing someone working at Morgan Stanley and you feel behind. Feeling behind, I guess. >> thief of like we are all in our own calling and I think the most important thing to do is figure out what success means to you Mhm. and go after that. And and that looks different for everyone. And I think we follow so many creators now. It's sort of hypocritical for me because I am a creator who wants you I want you to engage with my content, but like if my content isn't for you, unfollow me, right? Like Yeah, block me. Oh. That part. But like if find your people and and and I think cultivate like actually what success means to you and not just what what it means to me or what it means to you. Yeah. Like we have to be individuals because that's the only thing that separates us. 100%. >> we cannot find that, you will never be happy. Comparison is a thief of joy. That part. Clock that. Clock that. All right, let's talk about your engagement. Okay. You just got recently engaged this summer in Nantucket. >> I did. Are you excited? Anything you can tell us on that? Some wedding tea? Some wedding tea. Hm. Some wedding tea. I was actually talking to my mom about this today. I was thinking about asking people to be in my wedding, you being one of them, I I hope so. >> >> You know like this was this was like the the trade-off. >> make that yeah. Put that in the promo. But asking people to be in my wedding at my bachelorette. Mhm. Like if I don't know. It's a difficult thing. But then I was like, but I want so many people to be in my bachelorette even if they're not in the wedding. >> I think that's okay. I've I've been recently hearing that people want to do that. Inviting a bunch of people to your bachelorette. >> How fun is that? >> not putting everyone in your wedding. >> Right. That's so fun. I don't know. I'm I'm I don't know. Honestly, the wedding process has been not stressful at all. >> Well, have you really thought of it? Do you have everything booked, planned? >> of I got everything down to the grass. >> Like send me a save the date. >> even know me? Oh, it's coming. Do you want like a big wedding, small wedding? Do you know where you want to get married? >> would you consider my wedding big or small? I don't know. I don't even know what a I think for the general masses, it's considered a large wedding. But I think knowing you and Tommy, I think it's as tight-knit as you could possibly make it. Yeah. Like I'm not inviting anyone to my wedding with that that I wouldn't want to have lunch with. I think that's >> I think that should be a goal for everyone. >> Yeah. I think that's great. I think it's a good thing. I also just like we're also inviting people that I mean, we're inviting kind of like everyone that we love, but we want it to be a big party. Like I love parties. Not clubs, not bars. I mean, that's fun. But like >> like a band. I love a dance. Like you've seen me. I Can you queue videos? >> Partying with Paige is the funnest thing I've ever done ever. And people don't see this side to her ever and often, but going out with Paige is like sometimes I can't keep up. She's the most fun person to go out with ever. I love to dance. >> Like the Thanksgiving you almost tried to cancel. I'm not >> yeah. I'm not canceling it. I'm not canceling it. I said no on my watch. I have a Thanksgiving every year and I tried to cancel it this year cuz I was feeling a little bit overwhelmed, but Allie said Nope. I said no, we have to go to Sea Grape. Yeah, I love to dance. I love a dance. Like I'm going to be dancing with the gays. We love the gays. Honestly, I only want to go out with gays. It's gays and girls. I have more gay friends than girlfriends. Um everyone I know my producer's gay. Like everyone in my circle's gay. >> They're just superior. >> Marshall. They're superior. They're superior. >> No, they're superior and just no drama. But >> Also aura, check. Dancing, check. Music, check. I mean, I really can't ask for more. >> They smell nice. They're perfect. >> human beings. I think I'm a gay man in a woman's body and I talk to I think I might be, too. >> >> Sorry, Tommy. Yeah. Are you but are you excited? Are you nervous? Are you scared? >> I'm so excited. I obviously feel like I'm marrying the love of my life and >> him. He's perfect and >> perfect. >> Also, I mean, again, if this is just like this is for the girls. If you are especially, I mean, obviously it's important either way, but if you want to be an entrepreneur or you own a business or you're doing anything that involves owning like having a business, the person you pick to marry is the most important choice you'll ever make in your life. Yeah. I mean, even on the other side of things, I'm like the corporate world. I mean, I know Rachel, who's my CBO, would say the same thing. If you are career-driven as a woman and you don't or a guy and you don't have a partner that supports that, it's very challenging. Would you ever go into business with Tommy? I Well, I You know what? No. Well, no, but he is a part of my businesses. Like there is not a thing that goes by that I don't ask him his opinion on. Even though he is like respectfully, bless his heart, he's not like a very business-minded person. But that that is even more valuable to me. Like, oh, you don't really know what you're talking about. Oh, you're not like in the weeds of business and you have this perspective that >> perspective on things. >> Yeah, like it's it's honestly, I value his opinion more than anyone. Yeah. >> He's very simple. He's very humble and he's not like so engulfed in pop culture and like brands in the brand world. >> that. Yeah. You need someone that was like I don't really care about any of this >> care. He doesn't know what >> for the guy. He's so simple and but it's but to be honest Dairy Boy's roots like are that. Like 100%. >> the simple good pleasures of life and like >> fishing Yeah, and like the outdoorsy the emotion the like grittiness but also like uh he embodies my brand in ways like more than even me. I mean I do embody the brand. But you know what I'm saying? Like he's just like the purest form of like of like a man in a way. >> He's just the nicest human being ever. He is and he's he's like a good good person. He's humble. He's hard working. He's American but in like a very fresh you know amazing way. He's He loves where he's from. He loves playing for his country like >> Yeah. He's all the things that I embody as a person and then as a brand. So his his his opinion is so valued by me. Mhm. So I ask him about everything. Um even if he like throws me a curveball I'm like okay that's like interesting information. Can we switch glasses? Yeah. Locking in. Oh You look kind. >> I do I? You always look kind. I have a sexual crush on Paige. Anyways, for this next segment we're doing listener questions and I'm going to ask you or basically people submitted some questions for both of us and let's just go through like four of them because we really been talking a lot which I we've been saying. Yeah. I'm going to say it and then let's both give our two cents about it. >> Okay. So the first is top tips for a first date. This might be psychotic but I kind of view a first date as an interview. >> >> It's like interviewing someone to bone. Right? Okay, well that's not necessarily how I view it but that's one of the things Well, you're going to chemistry Yes. Chemistry check, vibe check. How long do you think you should be at a first date? If it's going bad 30 minutes. >> Have you ever like dipped out on a first date? Yeah, but not not not like a bathroom skirt out but like yes, I have. >> like I'm just saying after this. I've skipped dessert. Let's just say. >> >> I haven't been on a date in so long. Mhm. Tipsy >> tipsy tipsy my tipsy and the my tipsy yay Clink clink. Yeah. >> >> Wait, 1 2 3. Let's do Let's do a little crossover. >> Okay. My mom literally asked me you're not getting drunk for this podcast, are you? >> >> I'm like no, why do you think that? >> You can look over at her. >> >> All right, next question. >> up now. Wait, but like I'm so glad you did. I did what? No, like I'm glad I got like silly goosey with me. >> >> Do I need more lip gloss? Do I need more lip filler? No, Halley. Do you think I look better without the lip filler? Halley yes. Can I have a moment? Yeah. There have been some videos about me of people going before and after. No one's ever done that with Halley. They should though cuz I honestly want them to see my improvement. >> >> No one's ever done that with you because you look the goddamn same. I looked like Godzilla. No, Halley. You've always looked tea. No, all right. This is what I was telling you before. >> Also, I just want to say >> She's lying. >> Am I Am I not allowed to like glow up a little bit, >> No, literally. >> Clock it. >> Get lip filler Derm moves. >> if you look like Halley. I'll see you You did do a lot of girls which I will say. Help. You went bleach blonde and I think it ruined a lot of girls' heads. I think I owe a lot of girls compensation and with Olaplex. >> with Olaplex. You should be getting Yeah, it's tough. >> Including me cuz like that's like another thing you're like the blondes like Paige Lorenze and I was like I want to be blonde like Paige Lorenze and then To be honest >> had a mullet. >> I I had a mullet, too. Wait, Halley back up your jaw. Woo. Wait, what? Yeah. And you were like you're so tea. >> Halley liar. >> >> Wait, but also like let's roll up some pics of me because I was also looking kind of like a vampire back in my day. When I was like 15 I was literally face picmonkeying my pictures. Do you remember picmonkey? Yeah, you don't know. >> What is picmonkey? >> you know. I was literally editing my photos back in the day. Like I've been the serial editor. I was editing I edited >> anymore. I was no not yet not as much. I was editing myself so skinny and someone like made me bigger and then is circulating this photo of me for like Paige Lorenze before and after. First of all, you tried to make me bigger and I I think I still look kind of cute but like I have to say I thought I was Megan Fox. Like I'm not even going to lie. This picture that people are trying to like clock me for like I thought I was so tea in high school. >> picture afterwards. I look like a vampire but I thought I was getting Megan Fox in Jennifer's Body. But I But do I look very different than I do today? Yes. And then that We thank god. No, thank god though. >> Wait, You don't You haven't had a glow up since high school. Help. Yeah, if Yeah, if you literally look the same since high school like literally praise Jesus. Also, I looked really hot in high school though. Halley, you were so hot. Halley, I had a crush on you in high school. Halley had this brunette bombshell Victoria's Secret highlighted caramel >> to have no eyebrows but You were tan. You had gorgeous hair. You were tall. You had a good personality. I had a crush on you. I wanted to be your friend. But yeah, these that try to before and after me You've known me since that day since that that era. No, you've gone through so many eras. But you remember me back in that day. >> But like it I think people make it seem it worse than it actually was. No, like you weren't that. I think this is your most beautiful self though. Yeah. And when I put extensions back in I will be my most beautiful self. >> But people But they're going to be darker extensions and I People think that I got like a face transplant. If you got a face transplant people would be begging for your surgeon. I Who like what Who's clocking for that? Some people but it's okay. All right, how soon is it and I'm giving you a foot massage now. How soon is it too soon to ask a guy Wait, what? Wait, can I sit with you? Can I sit with you there? Let's get cozy. Okay, here you go in here. Look at these Wait, wait, I like this one. If you could be a guy for a day, what would you do? I would so many I'm not even kidding. I would whip my dick out and Is that bad? No, it's good. >> I want to see what it feels like. I want to feel it like a boner. That's fair. What would you do? You'd probably go to like a private equity firm and pitch yourself. >> >> That's so true. >> You would try to sell business. I would. What would I actually do? I want to give like a really real answer. I would just like pee in a urinal. Yeah, I think that would be first stop. I would love to go to a sporting event as a man. That sounds so fun and like beat on my chest and like yell for a sports team. I would love to go to a strip club. I do We do that anyways though. Um It's I think being at a strip club is more fun when you're to go when you're a girl. I don't know. It's like very like girl like on girl like >> It is. Like we're supporting our career. Once I gave a stripper my dad's real estate email cuz she wanted to get into real estate and she told me that when she was giving me lap dances. Aw. in Vegas How soon is too soon to ask what you are with a guy? Let me Let me bring you real close on this one. Do not ask a man ever what you are. If you have to ask run. Niche beauty tips. We're not that niche. I use Rhode I'm like literally the most basic you'll ever meet. I use Rhode skin care. It's very smooth though. Thank you. I use Rhode skin care. I like Makeup by Mario. Yeah, I'm not niche. I like InnBeauty products. I love InnBeauty. >> InnBeauty though. >> Their thick cream extreme cream. >> Extreme cream. Just like us. We're so extra. Okay, we need to wrap up this episode. Wait, wait, we need to plug the Dairy Boy stuff. >> We did that. >> Oh. We We can do it again though. Go ahead. Bye everyone. Shop the Dairy Boy drop if you're cool. Let's say blue milk bottle drops Friday. No, let's just say at the same time. Blue milk bottle drops Friday. Ready? Blue milk bottle drops Friday. >> >> What? Help. It goes You're also starting a new brand. Uh your sunglasses brand. I am starting a sunglasses brand. But don't get distracted by that by the drop tomorrow. >> Okay, let's end this. All right, Paige I love you. Thank you for your I love you. You're my sleep and cousins >> Anyways, like, subscribe, comment and I love you all. Say bye. Bye. Subscribe to me and follow me.